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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: Silver70] #2481745
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I grabbed a new one from him. When I build a new combo I always fit 2 starters while its on the stand as most of mine need modified and I want a spare at the track ready to go.



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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2481766
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But to clarify on the rebuilt question, Almost all the major nationwide Auto part stores Buy from a huge rebuilder in Mexico called BBB, they sell under about a dozen differ names, Rayloc, Genco and a bunch of other names, it’s all the exact same stuff from the same huge factory.

And thanks to the guys that bought one from me today

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2481767
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This particular Nippondenso brand OE new starter is still available from Mopar. $135, not bad. It may be all or partially made in China. Any of the new non-OE brand units (starters, alternators, etc.) I've seen in auto part stores are made in China. I see reman stuff from Mexico, USA and China, with the Chinese being the cheapest and the junkiest, usually.

Yes, often time the price doesn't mean it's better, maybe just that one is lifetime warrantied while the cheaper is just a year. But if you compare the reman stuff from different sources, it's not all the same. Yes, I understand it is about impossible to get any of this stuff that is not at least partially made in China.

I have no idea where the MP P5007860AB is made. I'm not sure that it matters what the sticker or the box says anymore either.

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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2481810
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Similar thing seems to be going on with torque converters; in shopping for one for a street/strip project, lots of guys are claiming to build them for other guys (some of which are "name brands"), and a couple of places build them by the hundreds or thousands to hear them tell it. Looking on Ebay I see 3 or 4 basic designs marketed under a bunch of apparently-different names.
As far as stuff like alternators, starters, brake calipers and one particular throw-out bearing, I've had better luck with Duralast (AutoZone) than Napa.

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2481983
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I replaced my Power Master mini-starter last year with a $70 dollar unit from Salvo's that has a lifetime warranty and has been working just as good as the Power master starter did. Ron

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: CMcAllister] #2482039
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister


This is the Nippondenso starter that was sold by MP and I used for years with good results. There are remans, new, and Chinese copies available most places. Price and origin are a big indicator of quality.



On this picture, where the gold , long bolt holds it together..the little casting that sticks out on the end opposed to the starter gear hit the header

messed around with it for a couple hours to clearance a tube to make it fit, what a PITA !


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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482040
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Also had to remove the black part, that hit the block


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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482220
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No header issues on mine, but I don't know how thick the casting is there. I may have taken it apart to see if the starter could be modified before dinging the header. Yes, the plastic adapter needs to be removed on some apps.


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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482223
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not enough casting , small ding ..thumb nail size , 1/4 deep


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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482227
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I’ve got like 3 of those starters I’ve procured from work from “just clicks, won’t start” scenarios. Bought a bag of contacts off the bay and they all work great. Starter on my 13.5-1 small block is a takeoff from my 95 Ram I owned long ago.

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482281
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Originally Posted By bigdad
Originally Posted By CMcAllister


This is the Nippondenso starter that was sold by MP and I used for years with good results. There are remans, new, and Chinese copies available most places. Price and origin are a big indicator of quality.



On this picture, where the gold , long bolt holds it together..the little casting that sticks out on the end opposed to the starter gear hit the header

messed around with it for a couple hours to clearance a tube to make it fit, what a PITA !


iagree

I did the same on my street car, 469/5 speed Roadrunner

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482358
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TTI says it clears .. TTI lies


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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: 590 Challenger] #2482369
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Originally Posted By 590 Challenger
It funny you say that, I sell things on eBay under a few names, priced Low, Medium and Higher. People do think that, Some people shop price, kool. Some don’t want the Cheapest thing and buy the more expensive one, very kool. Some think they are buying the best and buy the highest priced one, I love them. Why would I market it just to one group? If people feel good about spending more, well let’s just say I’m willing to keep them happy. I sell them all the same starters



Are your ads worded the same other than price? Or are you actually selling deceit?


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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482424
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Originally Posted By bigdad
TTI says it clears .. TTI lies


I "believe" there are a couple of the nippendenso starters. IIRC the lower amperage one has a smaller body on it. 6"from the end of the motor to the plain of the mounting to trans surface.

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482502
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I bought what they said, #9523 powermaster , its clockable , didn't clear


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Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: 383man] #2482516
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Just had my powermaster starter up to advanced auto for testing. Told me it looked just like one of their boxed replacement starters they sell.

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: mopar dave] #2482616
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I'm just wondering if anyone has bought one of these mini starters that weighs less than 8 LBS? Several have been advertised as 7 LBS over the years but were never close to that!
MJ

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: J_BODY] #2482668
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Originally Posted By J_BODY
Originally Posted By bigdad
TTI says it clears .. TTI lies


I "believe" there are a couple of the nippendenso starters. IIRC the lower amperage one has a smaller body on it. 6"from the end of the motor to the plain of the mounting to trans surface.

There are 3 styles, 17084 (older larger style), 17466 the normal smaller one, 17573 exact same as the 17466 without the black terminal post extension. All are rated 1.4KW for power

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: 590 Challenger] #2482771
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What about where I thought I saw a 3.75:1 and a 4.44:1 reduction listing?

Re: Starters Big Box store Vs Local auto parts [Re: bigdad] #2482838
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I buy one brand of starter

Wilson. I get them at NAPA. They aren’t NAPA branded. As I recall they were rebuilt in Canada. Have to ask for them specifically.
As a forklift Tech I went through a lot of starters. Forklifts are started 20 times a day or more.
We would buy a new “oem” starter and spend four hours changing it only to have it fail next week. One of my coworkers left our parts dept for NAPA. He suggested a Wilson one time and I’ve never got a bad one.

All of my IDI diesels have had one. 400 cranking psi
The coronet has one as well- I went with the ram truck starter.


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