Re: BS lawsuit
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Re: BS lawsuit
[Re: theraif]
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04/05/18 06:11 PM
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I saw this discussed on a bike site I'm on. The gist of the lawsuit is that the runoff area was full of junk the he hit.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/05/18 07:49 PM
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A sand bag being used for erosion. If you watch the video he panicked and stood the bike up causing the crash. He broke his leg.....millions of dollars! He and his attorney are slime.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/05/18 08:29 PM
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IDT the plaintiff's attorney's moral standing is a question. Both sides are going to say anything to win, since (despite, for example, New York Law) there is no enforcement of the legal requirement that attorneys may not offer frivolous arguments in favor of their client's position.
The plaintiff's attorney is going to claim that the track specifically solicited the attendance of unskilled (and therefore inherently dangerous) riders, who were compelled to sign waivers without physically examining the track, and that ordinary and necessary precautions were not taken. The track's attorney is going to claim that the track's design and condition was exactly like other tracks, the riders were encouraged to examine the track, that their participation waived objection to the hazards, and the rider brought the sandbag with him (I'm almost kidding).
Not legal advice, just a thought: I have seen drivers/riders sign waivers with this printed under the name: "under protest". Legally it's worthless but it does leave the door open to future claims of objection.
I hope he loses, but it's probable that the track's insurance carrier will settle to avoid a very bad jury verdict ("any attorney who says that he can predict a jury verdict is an idiot"). What I'd like to see is a legal end to the "non-disclosure agreement" (we'll pay you if you don't tell anyone the amount or the terms) if public safety is an issue.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/05/18 08:47 PM
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I would like to see an end to all of this. This all started with putting warning labels on everything that might hurt you if you do something stupid. Don't stick hands or feet into running lawn mower! Really? If you are that freekin stupid you deserve what you get. It has taken natural selection out of the picture so now even the stupid survive.
If you sign the waiver you relinquish all rights to sue. If you don't inspect the track or do your due diligence that you agreed to, tough crap. That's all on you dumbazz.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/05/18 09:00 PM
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The name Lori Johns comes to mind.....
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/05/18 09:02 PM
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Waivers aren't worth the paper they are written on.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/05/18 09:02 PM
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The name Lori Johns comes to mind..... Haaaaayep. Sure does.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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There is no such thing as an absolute waiver of rights. This includes especially the right to appeal a reduced charge and sentence (you cannot waive Constitutional rights, statutes of limitations, incompetence of your own counsel, or prosecutorial misconduct - these are only some of the most common). When the prosecutor says this he knows he's lying. Even worse: he doesn't - lots of idiots out there with law degrees.
In general, if you're at risk (possible tortfeasor), it's better to construct an elaborate waiver with as many provisions and acknowledgments as possible, because it has the effect of frightening the future plaintiff's attorney into accepting less money. It should be executed by a Notary as an "acknowledgement" (not sworn, not an oath, not an affidavit) similar to a conveyance of real property or a contract.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/06/18 12:49 AM
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"you tend to go where you are looking"
Ah, yes - discovered 1,000 years ago: the trampoline rule (began as the blanket toss among Mongols, American Indians, Cossacks).
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Re: BS lawsuit
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"you tend to go where you are looking" I was taught that in flight training, the hand follows the eye, and the airplane goes where the hands turn it to I was also taught in drivers education to look at the right side of the shoulder in front of the car at night to avoid being blinded by the oncoming cars lights on , especially the idiots that drive with the high beams on and won't turn them down
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/06/18 10:23 AM
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I was also taught in drivers education to look at the right side of the shoulder in front of the car at night to avoid being blinded by the oncoming cars lights on , especially the idiots that drive with the high beams on and won't turn them down Me too ... but I bet that's a long forgotten lesson with many folks and new drivers are probably not taught this.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/06/18 12:32 PM
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"you tend to go where you are looking"
Ah, yes - discovered 1,000 years ago: the trampoline rule (began as the blanket toss among Mongols, American Indians, Cossacks). And on a street bike you don't turn with your arms, the bike turns with you as you lean. So this plays into it even more.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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You do turn with your arms, it's called counter-steering to induce the lean.
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/06/18 01:39 PM
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You do turn with your arms, it's called counter-steering to induce the lean. Yep.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: BS lawsuit
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04/06/18 02:37 PM
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You do turn with your arms, it's called counter-steering to induce the lean. Yes, Want to turn left at speed, push forward on left handlear. This lawsuit is ridiculous. If it hadn't been the sandbags for erosion, it would have been something else. Apparently he had been about 10 laps into the session as well. He didn't feel threatened by anything for the first 9 laps. The activity is inherently dangerous. Passing the buck.
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