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Just thought I'd share this...

While I'm still getting through the last few coats that I'm painting on my cowl grill, I've decided to use a shortcut for places that are difficult to roll or a pain in the butt to sand.

For instance, door jams, the water catch undernear my rear hatch (280z), bottom side of the cowl panel, etc etc.

I've already done this to the bottom side of my cown panel because I didn't see the point in making it look 100%. Nobody is EVER going to see that except me. So what I did is find the same color in a spray can and spray it. I think I did 2 coats -- maybe 3 -- and it looks great. I could probably wet sand it and buff it, but for areas that don't get seen much, it is saving me time and looks just fine.

The water catch area underneath my rear hatch is partially going to be covered with new weather stripping once I put it back on. But don't mistake me, I'm still preping the area just as I would any other surface. That's a must. But this way those little areas get color easily.

Anyways, just thought I'd give a random tip.



That’s a great idea. In fact, after brushing my bug I thought of the same thing. It would’ve been easier to just rattle can a few areas (grill areas, door sections around the windows, etc.)

I’ve also had the same problems of the paint being too transparent in some areas. The rattle can fixed that. Do notice how when you spray from cans, the spray is really solid? It must be because it flashes so quickly. Anyway, after I brushed some white paint and noticed the original paint showing through, I rattle canned the darker areas with white paint, let it dry, sanded a bit then brushed again. I’ve used the same technique where I had to put putty primer to fix pinholes. So far, so good.

If you have any doubts about the durability of rattle can painting a vehicle, check out these sights:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190280

How to Do it:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249432

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Just finished coat 10 (I think). The color is almost fully covering the dark spots. My plan is one more coat, a strong wetsand with 600 or 800 to get it very smooth, then another coat or two to finish it off. Then I can go back and paint the areas I touched up which are mainly on the passenger side.






If you look at this pic you can see the driver's quarter behind the gas cap has more of a dull reflection than it should (the middle section). I may have rolled over it after it started to self level and it never recovered. Or maybe I just didnt' wetsand it well last time. It seems to be the only area of the car where the shine is this dull because I take it the surface is not as flat/smooth. If it dries like this, I'll wetsand this panel before I lay the next coat on, then the reflection should be as sharp as it is on the door or even forward of the gas cap, after the next coat.




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that is looking really awesome. nobody will believe how you did it

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exit - pull it out in the sun, you will see the light looks killer.

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what the total length of time you have on your project now?

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exit - pull it out in the sun, you will see the light looks killer.




Thanks. I took a closer look at that dull patch, and it's orange peely more than the rest. Im definately going to hit it with some sandpaper before going any further..

By the way, I can't pull it out into the sun. My driveway is on a slant and it would take more people than I have available to try to push it back in. All the more motivation to get it running after the paint dries..

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I know earlier I asked about rust and how to remove it. Is grinding the only way, or are there any such items that would assist in the removal? Just wanting to see what my options are since a lot of it is deep rust and I want to remove it all.

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You might try phosphoric acid to attach the rust. If you apply it in a way that it stays wet, i.e. a wet paper towel covered with plastic wrap you can let it sit and it will take less work. I alternate between acid application and wire brushing. I can get a clean but pitted surface without making the metal as thin as you would with a grinder.
Be careful if you are working close to seams not to get the acid in there.

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You can get one of those rust stripping things for your drill, they are some kind of hard plastic and they work pretty well. They work great for light rust and paint removal but you'll need to fill where you use it because they will gouge right through the paint.

http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/tech/0401vwt_super15_s.jpg

If you're grinding though, that will gouge through the paint and into the metal, so you might start with one of those rust removal discs on a drill before you go to the grinder.

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You can get one of those rust stripping things for your drill, they are some kind of hard plastic and they work pretty well. They work great for light rust and paint removal but you'll need to fill where you use it because they will gouge right through the paint.

http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/tech/0401vwt_super15_s.jpg

If you're grinding though, that will gouge through the paint and into the metal, so you might start with one of those rust removal discs on a drill before you go to the grinder.






the rust removers, be it acid or chemicals are very messy, toxic, and can ruin anything it touches, but it does work, almost too good, but i have seen some people who've used it and had trouble 6 months after with new paint, bubbles, flaking, peeling, and we're not talking about tremclad/rustoleum. so i'd be a little afraid to use it. i've used it on engine parts and it works like a dream, but be prepared to lower your life span by about 30-50%, and loose some skin/limbs/hair/fertility/knowledge!!!!!

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You can get one of those rust stripping things for your drill, they are some kind of hard plastic and they work pretty well. They work great for light rust and paint removal but you'll need to fill where you use it because they will gouge right through the paint.

http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/tech/0401vwt_super15_s.jpg

If you're grinding though, that will gouge through the paint and into the metal, so you might start with one of those rust removal discs on a drill before you go to the grinder.






the rust removers, be it acid or chemicals are very messy, toxic, and can ruin anything it touches, but it does work, almost too good, but i have seen some people who've used it and had trouble 6 months after with new paint, bubbles, flaking, peeling, and we're not talking about tremclad/rustoleum. so i'd be a little afraid to use it. i've used it on engine parts and it works like a dream, but be prepared to lower your life span by about 30-50%, and loose some skin/limbs/hair/fertility/knowledge!!!!!





If all you have is surface rust, try this stuff

http://www.safestrustremover.com/

the pics are extremely convincing and one guy I know says it DOES work but will not really help if rust is "dug in"

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I too am joining the legions of roll on car painters. I got here from the samba.com where I learned of this technique. I have a 68 bay window bus I will be painting soon.


I went to the Home Depot today to investigate the "professional" rustoleum paint. The instructions for thinning state that only acetone should be used. I have read the whole thread and see that most are using mineral spirits as it was done with the Tremclad stuff.

I just I was hoping if someone would be able to confirm success using the mineral spirits despite the directions for thinning on the can. I am looking forward to painting my car. I enjoy seeing the variety of rides being improved for next to nothing here. Keep up the good work.

I'll post dome pics if I can get this project rolling soon.

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I too am joining the legions of roll on car painters. I got here from the samba.com where I learned of this technique. I have a 68 bay window bus I will be painting soon.


I went to the Home Depot today to investigate the "professional" rustoleum paint. The instructions for thinning state that only acetone should be used. I have read the whole thread and see that most are using mineral spirits as it was done with the Tremclad stuff.

I just I was hoping if someone would be able to confirm success using the mineral spirits despite the directions for thinning on the can. I am looking forward to painting my car. I enjoy seeing the variety of rides being improved for next to nothing here. Keep up the good work.

I'll post dome pics if I can get this project rolling soon.




I have painted my bug with the professional stuff. First I followed the instructions from the can (thinning with acetone) but the problem is that it dries way too fast; there is not time for the paint to self-level. Use mineral spirits like everybody else and you will be fine.
Good luck

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Thanks! I remember thaere was a reason why mineral spirits was better, but I lost it in the 40+ pages of this thread.

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Yep, what Superchango said. My can of pro says acetone only also, but it's working ok with mineral spirits..

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I too am joining the legions of roll on car painters. I got here from the samba.com where I learned of this technique. I have a 68 bay window bus I will be painting soon.






Hi Bowerbird. I'm a Samba.com defector too. This thread is awesome, but what's even better are the moderators here and Moparts.com. You guys are the BEST for being so welcoming and open minded to new ideas! THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!

Samba.com has basically shut down the thread on roller painting. Here's one of the (cleaned up) responses from the "moderators" on that site:

"allright,...last "advice" i will give in this thread.

doing all this work only to use Rustoleum is doing a job half***! ...waste of time. Rustoleum is NOT auto paint.learning how to spray is a good thing to learn... cutting corners claiming it's because cost is a sh****y excuse as auto paint is 90 bucks and cheaper for everything you'll need sans paint gun and compresser...if your that cheap you can't get up 90 bucks for auto paint then collecting cars isn't what you need to do!
putting Rustoleum on a car is a horrable idea

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That's retarded. As a college student, I'm trying to avoid collecting too much crap. I already have more than enough tools and such...what I DON'T need is to be hauling a compressor and paint system around with me when I move. Hell, when I graduate and commission in the Marines, I don't want to lug a compressor around with me all over the country.

And I don't see anything wrong with the rustoleum method. If it's okay for tractors, what's wrong with a car? Metal is metal.

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autopaint is NOT $90.

I spent $300 to paint my Junior dragster and that was BC/CC a quart of each! A gallon of each and will be close to $1k in material by the time I add reducer & such.


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Hello,

So what happned to the first 44 pages, I wanted to save this away and now it is gone???

Thanks,
Richard

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It's in the tech archive.

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