Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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I can't see it making much more than 600fwhp, not enough head/small cam for them cubes to make mid to upper 600's in my opnion.
My mates 440 Dart with 12.7:1, Eddy std port MCH 325cfm heads, DC.590 solid purple cam, 1050 Dom., Victor int...just managed to hit the 600fwhp mark according to best mph/weight. and that cam was done at 6600rpm, car would slow if he shifted it over 6400 through the gears.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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The latest generation 440-1's come with CNC'd chambers, and with the right valve job and bowl work can flow quite well.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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Whose dyno?? On a few dynos quoted on here, I'm sure it would show over 800...
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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The latest generation 440-1's come with CNC'd chambers, and with the right valve job and bowl work can flow quite well.
Do you have any of those #'s , I based my guess on older none ported 440-1's & the low lift cam.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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For sure the low-ish lift of the cam(for this combo) doesn't play into the -1's attributes, especially earlier ones.
The last set I did(with cnc'd chambers) flowed 297@.600 ootb, and about 340@.600 after proper prep.
I feel like the 10.5cr is a bit low for the basic combo as well.
If the heads were similar to the last ones I did, and I had it on our dyno here, I'd be looking to be in the 650+ range........ It is a 511 after all. I'd have used 1.6 rockers for a cam like that in this type of build.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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Thanks Dwayne for your valuable input !!!
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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Whose dyno?? On a few dynos quoted on here, I'm sure it would show over 800...
LOL We have (42) SAE calibrated engine dyno's. Our Dyno's have to be calibrated because of all of the OEM prototype developement & production work we do so our Dyno's are usually about 15% less than the average Joe. Believe me, you walk into most single dyno engine shops & say you want to make approx 800 HP they can make it make the number pretty easily when it is probably making more like 680ish HP.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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Cant see that combo being anything much over 600hp for sure of if it even got there. But as been pointed out dynos are dynos and not all of them spit out the most accurate of results for sure. Id say at Mountain View that combo would struggle to see 575, that's where I have my most recent dyno experience.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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I guess whatever numbers that dyno throws out, whats more important is knowing where the power is being made with the combo and then perhaps some gearing changes may/may not be in order.
As a guide, with an on track 620fwhp/3400lbs the ticket would look something like this> 60 Foot E.T. : 1.43 1/8 Mile E.T. : 6.48 1/8 Mile Trap Speed : 104.88 1/4 Mile E.T. : 10.27 1/4 Mile Trap Speed : 130 with it in the teens? if it 60's better than shown above. according to my calcs.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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Since its a Comp cam, I'd be interested to know what the lobe numbers are....... And I assume you're running 1.5 rockers??
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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Sorry, typo it was late. 265 and 270 @ .050 I intend to spin it to 6500-7000. Thanks. Be lucky to break 600 hp, probably more like 575,??? That cam @ 265 intake is smaller them the MP 590 @ 271 @ .05 you were using. But with the new engine you will be making a lot of torque. To make HP you need to spin them a bit. Your not going to be able to spin that new engine very high in its hp band with that small of cam. It will be done by 6000 rpm. Typical 500" motors with your comp can hit around 600 HP with the mp 590, your using a even Smaller cam.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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I am guessing your goal might be 10.01 et? Just a thought, has anyone had good luck with 1.7 ratio rockers and beehive springs? That would get you .630 + net lift on the intakes, and raise the net lift everywhere, which i would think should be well worth the trouble, and cheap power to boot.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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I doubt the power increase from a ratio swap would corolate to the $1100 price tag.
If I had $1100 to throw at it, it would be on a roller cam, lifters, and springs.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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With as widely varying as the guesses were.......someone should have been close.
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Re: Guess my Dyno numbers
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We always do this at work with alot of the race engines we build. Sometimes it's $1.00 per person per guess, sometimes $5.00 per guess. Winner gets the pot. We did this on my Hemi when we dyno'd it. So many were so close but it did make more than everyone was expecting.
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