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Automatic Trans Holding Fixture #2423167
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What is everyone using to hold an automatic transmission while working on them? Trans rebuilding is something I haven't done yet and I think I need to start. Something cheap but safe would be ideal. Also any tool suggestions would be great. Thanks for any input.


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I use this one to do my powerglide transmissions. I remove the tailshaft and bolt this on.

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: Bad340fish] #2423194
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I use the same fixture John uses. It works well for holding rear diffs too. Additional tools I bought were a clutch spring compressor, a set of bushing drivers, a slide puller for pulling the pump housing, and John Cope’s number on speed dial smile

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I've made a few 727 fixtures that bolt to an engine stand.

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: Bad340fish] #2423263
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Just use a common 2 wheel dolly. Put bellhousing end up and tailshaft on the floorplate. Use a ratchet strap just above the pan surface at back of bell to hold it to the dolly. Done 100+ this way.

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Originally Posted By qwkmopardan
Just use a common 2 wheel dolly. Put bellhousing end up and tailshaft on the floorplate. Use a ratchet strap just above the pan surface at back of bell to hold it to the dolly. Done 100+ this way.

👍 Exactly what I do.

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Some great ideas here thank you. I have been meaning to buy a two wheel dolly anyways, I might try that method. Between selling an engine block and working on a dana 60 project I have had several "dang I wish I had a dolly" moments the last few weeks.


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Buddy of mine uses a bracket he made like Kunkle's so he can do them on a metal bench for easy clean-up; his has more angle to it though, so the rear of the case is closer to the bench.

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I had a plate water jetted out with the hole patterns of small block and big block bolt patterns and used an old light weight motor stand and converted it to a tranny stand, works great, I can roll/spin it around in any position.


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Originally Posted By Bad340fish
What is everyone using to hold an automatic transmission while working on them? Trans rebuilding is something I haven't done yet and I think I need to start. Something cheap but safe would be ideal. Also any tool suggestions would be great. Thanks for any input.


I've never used a fixture. Once the tailshaft housing is on, one block to prop that end up and another to keep it from rolling and that's it. On the bench, on the floor, on the tailgate of the pickup, wherever is handy.

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I made up some arms to bolt to an engine stand and the tabs on the torqueflite case. Took about an hour to make them out of scrap I had in the shop. Works great.
I had some 2x2 tubing and 1/2 x 1 bar stock. I cut four pieces of bar stock to 4 1/2 inch long, drilled a 7/16 hole in one end of each close enough to the end to seat properly on the transmission tabs, and welded them onto the 2x2 x 8 inch long pieces of tubing, with the holes extending out on opposite ends. That allows a lot of adjustability for mounting the trans case.

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: John_Kunkel] #2423393
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Originally Posted By John_Kunkel

I keep it simple, it's served me for 40+ years.


^^^I like that^^^very simple up

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I'm a simple guy and luckily don't deal with it to often whistling

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Originally Posted By gregsdart
I made up some arms to bolt to an engine stand and the tabs on the torqueflite case. Took about an hour to make them out of scrap I had in the shop. Works great.
I had some 2x2 tubing and 1/2 x 1 bar stock. I cut four pieces of bar stock to 4 1/2 inch long, drilled a 7/16 hole in one end of each close enough to the end to seat properly on the transmission tabs, and welded them onto the 2x2 x 8 inch long pieces of tubing, with the holes extending out on opposite ends. That allows a lot of adjustability for mounting the trans case.


That wont work when ears are removed for the CSR shield.

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I do all of my trans work at my welding bench
and I made up a couple of arms that are welded..
I have a 1/2" hole in the bench so it just bolts
to the bench.. very simple.. I've done 5 518s
on it so far.. plus I have a tool to compress
the OD clutch(about 900* pressure.. I have all
the stuff needed for doing the 518s)
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I use a similar set-up with my engine stand, bur with a C shaped angle iron fixture bolted to the face of the tranny (I'll post a pic when I get home)

Originally Posted By gregsdart
I made up some arms to bolt to an engine stand and the tabs on the torqueflite case. Took about an hour to make them out of scrap I had in the shop. Works great.
I had some 2x2 tubing and 1/2 x 1 bar stock. I cut four pieces of bar stock to 4 1/2 inch long, drilled a 7/16 hole in one end of each close enough to the end to seat properly on the transmission tabs, and welded them onto the 2x2 x 8 inch long pieces of tubing, with the holes extending out on opposite ends. That allows a lot of adjustability for mounting the trans case.


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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: Bad340fish] #2423539
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Nuttin' fancy here. Hole drilled in edge of bench with a screwdriver dropped thru bell hole. Has worked ok for as many as I mess with but, might make something better next time around. Santa

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Originally Posted By John_Kunkel

I keep it simple, it's served me for 40+ years.

i made one almost identical to yours. it does the job well. up
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i was lucky enough to buy one at a dodge dealership that went out of business. it was the factory one. it is similar to john kunkels, but a little heavier. i added a pipe to it and can put it in my engine stand to roll the trans in 2 diff positions. and u don't have to worry if ears are cut off for shield.

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Originally Posted By MoParFish
Nuttin' fancy here. Hole drilled in edge of bench with a screwdriver dropped thru bell hole. Has worked ok for as many as I mess with but, might make something better next time around. Santa


Is the screw driver from Harbor Freight?


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Once it's ready for the guts, Nothing more than a 15? gallon drum (parts cleaner drum) goes together better being vertical.

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: cudaman1969] #2423844
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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
Once it's ready for the guts, Nothing more than a 15? gallon drum (parts cleaner drum) goes together better being vertical.

Lol...I thought I was the only one...and I wasn't going to admit it...I don't do them often but I use one for disassembly and the reassembly, I do like the engine stand adapter idea though...right after I finish my engine run in stand I may build one of those...ha...who am I kidding, I can't seem to keep other people's projects out of my shop... work


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Originally Posted By longram60
I use a similar set-up with my engine stand, bur with a C shaped angle iron fixture bolted to the face of the tranny (I'll post a pic when I get home)

Originally Posted By gregsdart
I made up some arms to bolt to an engine stand and the tabs on the torqueflite case. Took about an hour to make them out of scrap I had in the shop. Works great.
I had some 2x2 tubing and 1/2 x 1 bar stock. I cut four pieces of bar stock to 4 1/2 inch long, drilled a 7/16 hole in one end of each close enough to the end to seat properly on the transmission tabs, and welded them onto the 2x2 x 8 inch long pieces of tubing, with the holes extending out on opposite ends. That allows a lot of adjustability for mounting the trans case.


Picture of mine:

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Just a couple of gusseted angle brackets, did about a dozen tranny's over 20+ years. I know that some cut the lugs off.

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I have several different tools for holding 727 transmissions. Here is one of the 2nd gen tools that I built.

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With the pivot point so far off center of mass, I would think that could make rotation take a little more effort, or get away from you if your not careful.

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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Just a couple of gusseted angle brackets, did about a dozen tranny's over 20+ years. I know that some cut the lugs off.


I like this setup up nice and simple B1maxx was this something you fab. up?

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I used one like John Kunkel's for years. It gets the job done simply. Mine had the rear supports go to the factory rear lugs and bolted.

I later made this one with the Mopar BB and SB bellhousing holes. It is nice to be able to either have the pan side up, or rotate to have the tailshaft end down.

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For my 1st PowerGlide, I just welded some angle iron that bolts to my steel bench.
jI do some work with the pan side up just laying on the bench. Then for final assembly, put it vertical.

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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
With the pivot point so far off center of mass, I would think that could make rotation take a little more effort, or get away from you if your not careful.


The pivot is in the center, you just can't see it since it is on the other side.

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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
What is everyone using to hold an automatic transmission while working on them? Trans rebuilding is something I haven't done yet and I think I need to start. Something cheap but safe would be ideal. Also any tool suggestions would be great. Thanks for any input.


Hey Clark, here is the proper "Fixture" for a 727. LOL!!!

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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by B1MAXX
With the pivot point so far off center of mass, I would think that could make rotation take a little more effort, or get away from you if your not careful.


The pivot is in the center, you just can't see it since it is on the other side.


OK thanks for explaining.

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Originally Posted by racerx
Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Just a couple of gusseted angle brackets, did about a dozen tranny's over 20+ years. I know that some cut the lugs off.


I like this setup up nice and simple B1maxx was this something you fab. up?


Yes just cut up some angle I had around., and some gussets.

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Originally Posted by hemi-itis
I'm a simple guy and luckily don't deal with it to often whistling

Your bench looks like mine right now, Van overdrive trans. Been thinking of making one to fit on an engine stand sideways, able to spin it and when done set it on the trans jack (they are heavier now a days)
Just like BMaxx nice!

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Here is one of my more "pro" versions. I had this one plated so it wouldn't rust.

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I also built some tripod dollies so I could move fully built transmissions around the shop.

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: qwkmopardan] #3018153
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Originally Posted by qwkmopardan
Just use a common 2 wheel dolly. Put bellhousing end up and tailshaft on the floorplate. Use a ratchet strap just above the pan surface at back of bell to hold it to the dolly. Done 100+ this way.


Use a wheelbarrow and you don't even need to mess with the ratchet strap

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: Bob Stinson] #3018173
02/23/22 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Stinson
Originally Posted by qwkmopardan
Just use a common 2 wheel dolly. Put bellhousing end up and tailshaft on the floorplate. Use a ratchet strap just above the pan surface at back of bell to hold it to the dolly. Done 100+ this way.


Use a wheelbarrow and you don't even need to mess with the ratchet strap

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: B1MAXX] #3018600
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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Originally Posted by Bob Stinson
Originally Posted by qwkmopardan
Just use a common 2 wheel dolly. Put bellhousing end up and tailshaft on the floorplate. Use a ratchet strap just above the pan surface at back of bell to hold it to the dolly. Done 100+ this way.


Use a wheelbarrow and you don't even need to mess with the ratchet strap

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I'm not knocking it one bit but the first thing that came into my head was the intro to dueling banjos.


You're not the first person to say that. It worked though.


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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: Bob Stinson] #3018605
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I do them on the workbench

Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: FastmOp] #3018610
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Dropping the clutch assy's in with it pointed up is well worth it in my opinion.

Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: MoParFish] #3018724
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Same here. So simple.


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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: POZEST] #3018797
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I just use my Blue Point bench mule.

Torqueflites get one leg bolted to the front tab, use a 2 3/4" spacer with a long bolt on the rear tab. If the tabs are gone, I use the bellhousing.

OE Powerglides I use a couple bolts on the pan flange.


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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: CMcAllister] #3019532
02/27/22 08:48 PM
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Special thanks to B1MAXX, for the extra photos. It enable to me to create one from an engine stand with very little work-$8 worth of the angle iron and I was in business. It works out good as I can drop it onto the middle leg to pre-load the output for checking final clearance. That’s my chief mechanic, at work there with the converter. My dad will turn 80 next birthday, and I still have to fight him to get to the wrenches first.

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Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: clovis] #3019592
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Very nice. Your very lucky to have a good partner there. up

Re: Automatic Trans Holding Fixture [Re: B1MAXX] #3019655
02/28/22 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Very nice. Your very lucky to have a good partner there. up



my sentiments exactly ! up
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