Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: hemi-itis]
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12/03/17 05:56 PM
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Well just a couple points. The guy stopping you has not one clue whether you are writing off expenses or not. As a business or as personal income/hobby losses. SO they will call it as they see it, period. Been there done that. Usually it is up to their discretion whether they see it as commercial or not. Even if it is a 3/4 ton truck and an 18' open trailer. As that reads if you can even possibly be compensated, IE winnings at a race or in some states even a trophy then you CAN be classified as commercial since there is a possibility of some form of compensation.
This whole deal is a mess. I suggest like others here. Don't act like an idiot, drive responsibly and vigilantly. Dont do anything that will attract attention to yourself. If you can be informed about what the state you are licensed in requires then all the better. However what was referenced here is federal DOT law, on top of what state requirements are. I dropped my CDL long long ago. I don't really want to have one again but at the rate things are going it may have to happen. If you want to change this stuff, first off good luck, government rarely goes backward with regulation. Write you congressman or senator and express your concern. Also SEMS and NHRA are about the only people lobbying on our behalf for change or a calming of regulation..
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: hemi-itis]
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12/03/17 05:58 PM
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From the article... “ Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the “occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise” apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?
Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.”
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: sgcuda]
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12/03/17 06:13 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't see the big deal. If you have the money for a full tractor, a triple axle trailer, 2 race cars, an ATV, and full support equipment, how much inconvenience can their really be in a tracking device. The relative expense doesn't seem like it should be a lot. Keep accurate records of change in drivers to justify going over their recording limits, and you should be fine. Just a comment...okay? My 2010 2500 Cummins with my flatbed car trailer and a 'B' body on it, I gross out at nearly 15,000 lbs. Just a bit over 10,000 lbs.
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
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12/03/17 06:47 PM
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Just a comment...okay? My 2010 2500 Cummins with my flatbed car trailer and a 'B' body on it, I gross out at nearly 15,000 lbs. Just a bit over 10,000 lbs. Pretty sure the federal law is if you have a truck with a gross combined weight rating over 26,000 pounds, and the trailer you are towing is over 10,000 pounds, you need a class A CDL. If just the truck has a gross vehicle weight rating of over 26,000 pounds you also need a CDL but it doesn't have to be a class A. Your 2500 with a B body on an open trailer is not CDL territory. The police officer that pulls you over will be the one deciding if what you're doing counts as for profit or interstate commerce. That's where the real problem lies. I will say I got my class A with air brake endorsement a month ago for work, but I still wouldn't feel comfortable yet driving a conventional 18 wheeler/40 ton rig. Most of what I tow is just over the CDL threshold.
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: hemi-itis]
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12/03/17 07:32 PM
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so a 5000lb (1/2 ton) truck and a 24ft trailer with nothing in but a 3500lb race car, thinking total race car and trailer 9000lbs do I need a cdl?? 15000 lbs at the most total.
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: Dave Hall]
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12/03/17 09:01 PM
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Been trailering cars for 40 years now. I had a CDL for a while but dropped it last year after the new rules went into affect here in the godless state of Illinoise. I have driven a vehicle that was 89' long, 45' Freightliner motorhome with 44' 4-car stacker across the county dozes of times, as well as a dually with a 53' fifth wheel trailer. I can tell you this, State laws trump Federal laws, that is FOR SURE! The absolute WORST states to tow through are Pennsylvania and New Mexico, with Kalifornika a close third. PA has a law that states the tow vehicle license MUST have a weight rating equal to the truck and trailer, and all states have length limits. Only had problems with PA and CA, had to pay a fine for over length in PA for every mile I drove on the turnpike. CA has a 65' limit and they were trying to figure out how to tow me to impound, and couldn't do it so they let me drive it out of the state and told me to never come back! Of course I did come back several times in the wee hours of the morning... The new rules will make me never get a CDL again, and all my trucks and trailers will have RV plates on them from now on, IL has them and it keeps you from getting pulled over, been running them for decades now. That is why I have a cap on my truck and an LQ trailer if I am pulling more than 10K lbs.
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: Rhinodart]
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12/03/17 09:36 PM
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Pa has been rough since we had two landscape trailers break loose and kill people. My fingers were crossed every week driving up route 22 going to Keystone as that was a big area for checks. My 24 foot enclosed trailer only had 3500 pound axles (7000 pounds) so with my Duster, quad, fuel, tools, cabinets, and everything else I was way over-loaded. My new 26 footer is titled just under 10,000 pounds so that helps some.
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: Medlock51]
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12/04/17 03:00 AM
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After going thru all the crap associated with a sleep study I decided I didn't want the Feds in my bedroom and gave up my tier 4 license and downgraded to tier 1 intrastate only. 45 years and 4 1/4 million miles... got nothing to prove anymore. Now I drive two to three days per week and sleep at home...piss on them. Part of this recent change includes lower blood pressure numbers.The new rule made me fail the physical.I have 3 monthes to find some neds to lower my BP for at least a one year physical.The youngins in good shape get 2 years.
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: hemi-itis]
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12/04/17 03:09 AM
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Load up on raw garlic on 2 meals a day, look where your at in a week. Or you can buy garlic caps, but I like raw garlic. Cant be cooked with your food. After going thru all the crap associated with a sleep study I decided I didn't want the Feds in my bedroom and gave up my tier 4 license and downgraded to tier 1 intrastate only. 45 years and 4 1/4 million miles... got nothing to prove anymore. Now I drive two to three days per week and sleep at home...piss on them. Part of this recent change includes lower blood pressure numbers.The new rule made me fail the physical.I have 3 monthes to find some neds to lower my BP for at least a one year physical.The youngins in good shape get 2 years.
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
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12/04/17 04:02 AM
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Part of this recent change includes lower blood pressure numbers.The new rule made me fail the physical.I have 3 monthes to find some neds to lower my BP for at least a one year physical.The youngins in good shape get 2 years.
If I may ask, what are the BP numbers they want now?
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Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!!
[Re: Dave Hall]
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12/04/17 08:11 AM
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I think we are missing the issue here a bit. The electronic log is the issue. I'm pretty sure that a dually and a 24' enclosed trailer are over the CDL limit but in California you are already paying for the pickup in reg. fees. If you get pulled over or a cop pulls up when you have a flat or something, I would tend to think that they don't care so much about a guy in a motor home or pickup traveling to or from an event. What they care about is where you are coming from and where you are going and how much time you are spending on the road. I recently went from California to Springfield Missouri in my dually for the Thanksgiving week. I saw two truck accidents. All I could tell is that the ops fell asleep. No other vehicles involved. It's the time behind the wheel that they are trying to regulate. Rightly so. Does anyone really want or need to drive more than 11 hours in a 24 hour period? It's more than just the 11 hours it's the inflexibility of the rules". 14 hour work day... Say I'm sick and need more rest.. or I didn't sleep well the prior night. If I nap within the first two hours of my shift that break doesn't count...I still am forced to take another 30 minutes between the fifth and eighth hour on duty. If I take a break between the second and fifth hour then I have to take a second break around the 11th "on duty" hour. You can't stop the clock....say you crawl out of the sleeper at 5am to go to the track....you get there at nine. Your day starts at 5.... you get done racing at 5pm... you have 12 hours on the clock and it takes more than two hours to get home you have to take a 10 hour breakbefore you can get home! It's a mess. Many drivers are forced to work terrible hours because you can't stop that clock... you must drive even if tired because you have to get your miles in before your break. Cicadium rythems be damned... I don't give a rats *ss anymore... I sleep when I'm tired.
Last edited by Medlock51; 12/04/17 08:12 AM.
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