Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Here's what I got. Much more consistent, but not so great. Warmed engine up to full operating temperature then began removing things and by the time I got everything off it was not too hot to touch. I used two batteries in a series and a charger. Cranked each cylinder 7 times (wanted to be sure) did dry test and wet test on each cylinder as I went along. I can see tons of carbon on top of the pistons. As far as I know the engine is likely just a refresh and never completely rebuilt. I believe it got new bearings, seals, rings etc. Anyway here it is first number dry second number wet. I started at the back right when the engine was the hottest and it was 95/107. Went back after finishing and it was 90/95 dry/wet so I through the first one out.
Right 78/84 80/85 83/95 90/95
Front---------------------------->Rear
Left 83/83 80/93 82/98 85/94
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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looks good. Now make sure that your gauge is accurate, mine went bad the other year and was showing too light a pressure. Also make sure the timing chain isn't stretched. Also do the leak down test to check the rings and valves, etc.
Tom
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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looks good. Now make sure that your gauge is accurate, mine went bad the other year and was showing too light a pressure. Also make sure the timing chain isn't stretched. Also do the leak down test to check the rings and valves, etc. I have a brand new gauge and will double check the pressure. Not sure how to check whether the timing chain is stretched or not?? Also purchased a leak down tester but am unsure how to perform the test as I have never done it.
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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take the dist cap off
turn the crankshaft in one direction to top dead center mark
then turn the crankshaft in the other direction watching the rotor in the dist. when the rotor STARTS to turn, stop rotating the crankshaft
tell us how many degrees the crankshaft turns before the rotor starts to turn turns
Tom
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Here's what I got. Much more consistent, but not so great. Warmed engine up to full operating temperature then began removing things and by the time I got everything off it was not too hot to touch. I used two batteries in a series and a charger. Cranked each cylinder 7 times (wanted to be sure) did dry test and wet test on each cylinder as I went along. I can see tons of carbon on top of the pistons. As far as I know the engine is likely just a refresh and never completely rebuilt. I believe it got new bearings, seals, rings etc. Anyway here it is first number dry second number wet. I started at the back right when the engine was the hottest and it was 95/107. Went back after finishing and it was 90/95 dry/wet so I through the first one out.
Right 78/84 80/85 83/95 90/95
Front---------------------------->Rear
Left 83/83 80/93 82/98 85/94
Um, just to clarify, cause it's pretty frikken important, I am sure you meant two batteries in parallel....not SERIES! GASP!
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Now that you have spent all this time on a cheap compression test, all it will tell you is you have a problem. Buy a leak down gauge and it will tell you what the problem is. My thinking was that the point of doing a compression test was to see if you have an issue and needed to do further testing and diagnostics to narrow down the issue.
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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leak down testing/tester;
put each piston at their tdc on the firing stroke and screw the fitting in the sprakplug hole with the piston at tdc
supply 5 psi or so, air pressure and listen at the carb, exhaust, radiator, oil fill or dipstick holes. listening for any air coming out and bubbles in the radiator. Also if the kit has a gauge then watch for pressure drop in a given time span, should be noted in the directions with the kit.
Tom
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Here's what I got. Much more consistent, but not so great. Warmed engine up to full operating temperature then began removing things and by the time I got everything off it was not too hot to touch. I used two batteries in a series and a charger. Cranked each cylinder 7 times (wanted to be sure) did dry test and wet test on each cylinder as I went along. I can see tons of carbon on top of the pistons. As far as I know the engine is likely just a refresh and never completely rebuilt. I believe it got new bearings, seals, rings etc. Anyway here it is first number dry second number wet. I started at the back right when the engine was the hottest and it was 95/107. Went back after finishing and it was 90/95 dry/wet so I through the first one out.
Right 78/84 80/85 83/95 90/95
Front---------------------------->Rear
Left 83/83 80/93 82/98 85/94
Um, just to clarify, cause it's pretty frikken important, I am sure you meant two batteries in parallel....not SERIES! GASP! parallel is more amps = good series is more volts = bad. will burn out the starter.
Tom
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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leak down testing/tester;
put each piston at their tdc on the firing stroke and screw the fitting in the sprakplug hole with the piston at tdc
supply 5 psi or so, air pressure and listen at the carb, exhaust, radiator, oil fill or dipstick holes. listening for any air coming out and bubbles in the radiator. Also if the kit has a gauge then watch for pressure drop in a given time span, should be noted in the directions with the kit. I'm sure it will be in the instructions but how do I know when each cylinder is at TDC?
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Start at #1, and use the firing order. Then stick a plastic rod, straw, or something that won't damage anything and won't break off in the cylinder, or use the pressure gauge, and turn the crank over by hand, it'll work out that way.
Tom
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Start at #1, and use the firing order. Disclaimer: Please understand I have no experience of the process for a leak down test. To start the test I need to get #1 to TDC and do the leak down test. Next lets say I do #8. Question is do I just rotate the crank around to TDC again to get TDC on the next cylinder?
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Bring the motor up to TDC on # 1 cylinder on the firing stroke and test it, rotate the crankshaft 90 degrees clockwise to test #8,and another 90 degrees to test #4 and test, then rotate another ninety degrees to test # 3 and go through the firing order in sequence to test the rest, one at a time (Imagine straight up as 0 degrees and 1/4 turn is 90 degrees Most car motors in the car are hard to get 90 degrees rotation with one movement, if you stop more than 5 degrees before or after TDC the air pressure will probably blow the piston down to bottom dead center, make sure and remove the ratchet or breaker bar from the socket or crankshaft bolt before each test If you don't you may regret what it breaks or damages, like your arm or radiator shroud The leak down meter will come with instruction, some are better than others, I own two, one old single gauge from Moroso that quit reading accurately years ago(it would stick ) and a newer one from Aircraft Spruce for testing my old airplane motor, it is a dual gauge tester and easier to use
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Start at #1, and use the firing order. Disclaimer: Please understand I have no experience of the process for a leak down test. To start the test I need to get #1 to TDC and do the leak down test. Next lets say I do #8. Question is do I just rotate the crank around to TDC again to get TDC on the next cylinder? Yes, and you won't have to rotate the crankshaft very many degrees before the next piston gets to it's tdc.
Tom
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Re: Stock 1970 340 T/A Block Compression Test
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Brand new gauges different results. Dry Test.
Right 120 135 125 130
Front-----------------------Rear
Left 128 129 136 130
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