Air bleed question
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Should I just buy the Quickfuel kit or get the blank deal and drill my own with a pin vice? I my question should be are the "store bought" bleeds sized correctly or are they like main jet kits that you have to check sizes before you use them. Putting a wideband in the car this winter and I want to be ready to tune my bleeds after I get some accurate fuel curve readings. Thanks Gus
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Re: Air bleed question
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If your carb. has the screw in removable #10 air bleeds now I would be tempted to buy the pin vice and the small drill bit assortment, #61 to #70 and maybe the bigger drill bit kit from #1 to #60 and see what your current bleeds are, once that is figured out either buy some blanks or the next size bigger bleds and next size smaller and test, test, and test some more to get it exactly where you like the tune up I ended up buying a batch of 100 # 6 brass set screws and started drilling and tapping the fuel feed channels(idle and transition circuits) for those size set screws and drill them to the size I wanted and found out exactly what the motor wanted judging by the old Butt dyno and the wide band, I now tune for lean(14.8 AFR or leaner) at idle and at light part throttle cruise up to 2500 RPM now at 3500 Ft. elevation on Oregon 91 octane pump swill
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Re: Air bleed question
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I just bought a bunch of small size and drilled them. Also made a fixture out of a piece aluminum to hold bleeds and ifr's while drilling. This is what I did.
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Re: Air bleed question
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I seen a drilling fixture with blanks for sale but I cant remember who sells it. I have a Quickfuel 1050 4150 style carb and it's lean according to my plugs. When I install the wide band I'm sure I can get it where it needs to be because everything is adjustable on this carb. I've got a few chunks of aluminum that I could make my own drilling fixture but that other deal comes with blanks with a small pilot hole in them. Gus
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Re: Air bleed question
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I just buy the Holley 10 Pack of #23 air bleeds Holley 126-23-10 and drill them to the size I need. Already having a pilot hole makes them easy to drill.
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Re: Air bleed question
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11/24/17 02:17 PM
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One problem with DIY: you don't know exactly what you have, so another size = no relationship. With that small hole, any scratches etc. + length of hole itself (tapered entrance and exit will change when you drill) all affect flow.
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Re: Air bleed question
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One problem with DIY: you don't know exactly what you have, so another size = no relationship. With that small hole, any scratches etc. + length of hole itself (tapered entrance and exit will change when you drill) all affect flow. Not sure at whom this is directed, but I... - buy my own BLP or BG blanks (BG carbs use a smaller head that fits into a recess, instead of sits on top) - have an exstensive set of drills which are measured so I know the actual sizes, not what they are supposed to be - drill my own using an air bleed fixture on my drill press for consistency I can't speak for any other DIYer, but I know what I have. And it is far more accurate & consistent than I have seen with some mass-produced carbs as mentioned previously.
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Re: Air bleed question
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The QFT/Proform air bleeds must be drilled by blind monkeys. x2 How about giant Panda Bears ?
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Re: Air bleed question
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I use BLP bleeds and they measure nutz on plus are smaller and either stamped or lazer etched for the sizes...........
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Re: Air bleed question
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I just buy them, blp does have nice, easy to read stuff for sure.
I have never been able to actually get totally myopic about size variances, unless it's like a miss print where something is crazy off.
I'm usually just either going bigger, or smaller, till it's as close as I can get it. So perfect sizing doesn't really bug me. Besides, after tuning on the dyno where at least things are consistent. The in car results always seem to want more fuel, or changes in the whole cure because of scoops, or heat ect. Then factor in the time to change things, get the car cool, and try again, the air has changed again.
I suppose a PS, or comp tuner would sweat all that, and have a sure fix for everything, but getting to the edge of a tune where .001 difference in a bleed would matter with carbs seems unattainable to me . For me it's make the curve safe enough not to do too much detonating on shifts, and clean on the top end.
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Re: Air bleed question
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Measured ID does not entirely control flow rate. ANY disturbance to the entry/exit taper (angle, length, finish) factors in.
On the plus side, the elasticity of a gas (air) should mean a closer match than incompressible liquid (fuel).
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Re: Air bleed question
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I use BLP bleeds and they measure nutz on plus are smaller and either stamped or lazer etched for the sizes........... They look twice as nice as the others but they are very reasonable. Too bad I live in Ohio and I have a limited weather window to get all this new stuff done and tested But when I see what mother nature has done to the world lately I'm lucky to live in Ohio Thanks for all the info so far I need to get my carb apart this weekend and see what I have Gus
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Re: Air bleed question
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I use BLP bleeds and they measure nutz on plus are smaller and either stamped or lazer etched for the sizes........... They look twice as nice as the others but they are very reasonable. Too bad I live in Ohio and I have a limited weather window to get all this new stuff done and tested But when I see what mother nature has done to the world lately I'm lucky to live in Ohio Thanks for all the info so far I need to get my carb apart this weekend and see what I have Gus The beauty of the WB and tuning a carb is that it's damn near endless and even a .002 difference is a BIG jump and can shift the "curve" quite a bit and I test this a LOT weekly on the street. I did a 2-circuit 1150 for a 3400 lb pump gas Chevelle and it made 950+ hp on 93 but this is a Pettis max effort deal and on the dyno it made the most power w/100 Holley jets and .067 idle bleeds with .026 highs. They started w/95's and .028 high bleeds and after the above changes the curve was very nice he said..........I've gone from .037 ifr's to .042's in my 1050 Dommy and from .063 idle bleeds to .076's and everything in between and it changes in every area from idle to peak power/rpms. Same w/emulsion jets, high, low, 1 or 5 and their sizes open up a whole other world of tuning. And the biggie on the street and even on some race cars to keep em clean is the right size t-slot jets and on my car a .055 get's me the cleanest cruise/transition like in the 13-14's and a big jump to .070's made it unhappy in the 9-10 afr range..........FUN STUFF.............
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