Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
[Re: VernMotor]
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05/07/06 02:57 PM
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Cooler plugged ????? Or restricted somehow ?? Cooler line kinked ?? let us know Matt
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
[Re: VernMotor]
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05/07/06 04:50 PM
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maybe the inline filter ?????
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All steel 3800 lbs with me in it 65 Coronet 451 CID Indy 440-1 heads by Dwayne Porter racing heads . ..... 10.31 @ 129.4 mph 1.40 60 ft ALL MOTOR!!!!
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
[Re: 65coronet500]
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05/07/06 04:53 PM
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Check the case where the fitting goes in the case and make sure no restrictions there and make sure the hole in rear support is lined up with the return passage.
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
[Re: VernMotor]
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05/07/06 04:56 PM
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Ok more info about this 1 I blew though cooler and lines all good there flows good. 2 trans was geting hot. 3 fluid was not burn 3 all bronze blushings are black and blue from heat not burn.. 4 all chutchs look good. no sliping and discolor 5 metal in pan is steel sticks to magnet.I see nothing in trans that is steel or iron.that would acount for metal in pan Makes me think just enuff lack of fluid was not there to hurt parts that need it most ? And coverter is going away or gone lol. maybe that is where metal came from ? maybe two problems ? ??? I don't know about this one Help...
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
[Re: VernMotor]
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05/07/06 06:13 PM
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Question for ya vern, did the out put shaft gal up the support where it rides on ? your pic is a lil fogy.
And, did you have sealing rings on the park gear ?
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
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05/07/06 06:23 PM
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Question for ya vern, did the out put shaft gal up the support where it rides on ? your pic is a lil fogy.
And, did you have sealing rings on the park gear ?
No shaft and inside of suport look good and Yes I did have both sealing rings on park hub
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
[Re: VernMotor]
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05/07/06 10:26 PM
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5 metal in pan is steel sticks to magnet.I see nothing in trans that is steel or iron.that would acount for metal in pan
Well the drum is iron and it is damaged. But do you mean the amount of damage doesn't account for all the metal in the pan/filter?
Like you said, the converter is a potential source.
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
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05/08/06 12:43 AM
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Vern, it would be nice if you could get a couple more pics that were a lot more clear to see exactly what mods you do have........ First thing is you obviously have a lubrication circuit problem, the cooler line (circuit) enters into the gov support area by way of the inlet into the case, and then lubricates various bushings, thrust washers, planetary gears (splashed), clutches etc, etc by way of passages drilled down the output and input shafts (with one of the first stops being your chewed up output support). With that being said, think of the low reverse drum and the output shaft in the support area as being like crankshaft journals and the output support like an engine bearing ....... needing some amount of pressurized lubrication fluid to keep a layer of oil between the individual components(not much pressure though, 5 to 30 lbs is all it needs). Your comment about the bushings heating up and changing colors also points to this lack of lubrication, as does the trans heating up (no lubricating HOT components). It also COULD be convertor problems (thats where the lube oil comes from)which possibly could be the metal particles, or they also could be from planetary's 'spalling' (galling)from lack of lube or even thrust washer/wearing of components. One thing you mentioned was the epoxying of the governor feed hole in the support........ there are 2 holes in this back area of the gov support, if the forward one was epoxied that will definately be your problem as the forward hole IS the lubrication circuit for the trans ....... your pics (or it may be my eyes )are too blurry to really see this area ....it almost looks like it may be epoxied. In any case, (no pun intended) some more pics and more info would help to find the cause of your problem...... keep em coming Randy
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Re: ok trans(727) problems again HELP
[Re: VernMotor]
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05/08/06 10:25 PM
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Vern....I also have a COMPLETE and FRESH BB 727 w Turbo Action valve body,no converter. You are welcome to borrow it if you need it. Already tested!! It is the one I just removed from the Daytona.
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