Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: PlumCrazyCharger]
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09/19/17 04:23 PM
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Sean Congrats on making that thing get after it for sure. I have been considering the exact same engine combo for the last year. If I could sell the Predator stuff for ever a decent amount of money I would make the jump for sure. Congrats on the new PB as well!!
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: PlumCrazyCharger]
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09/21/17 02:03 PM
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Your car is flying and I'm not trying to stir the pot or take anything away from your accomplishment because I like it, wouldn't mind owning it myself. But to all you guys claiming there is nothing Chevy about it...and technically I'm sure there isn't a single GM part in it but... From Sonny's site: FOR GM APPLICATIONS FOR PRO MODIFIED, TOP SPORTSMAN, TRUCK PULLING, AND MARINE ENGINES. The Next Generation head was designed to be more efficient than the existing wedge configuration. The intake runner is located 180 degrees from the exhaust runner which provides a better path for incoming and exiting air. The combustion chamber is designed to unshroud both intake and exhaust valves while locating the spark plug in a more ideal position to enhance flame propagation. Rocker arms are positioned to give excellent valve train geometry. The exhaust rocker is over 75% longer than a wedge chambered head enhancing better spring life and smoother acceleration for modern high lift cams. Most hemispherical cylinder heads have ten 1/2 or 9/16 stud fasteners. Sonny's has incorporated twenty-two 1/2" studs necked down to 7/16. This allows better load distribution and more stud stretch for better clamping force. Supercharged applications can use straight half an inch studs. We used four extra studs in the bottom row to eliminate the stud from intersecting exhaust ports. Combustion chambers can have a range from 65 cc's to 95 cc without welding. Intake and exhaust runners are cast ported and have guide spacing to accommodate a range of 2.450 to 2.700 intake valves and 1.900 to 2.040 exhaust valves. With the chambers ported correctly, the intake will flow 615 cfm @ 1.100 lift with a 2.680 valve and exhaust will flow 425 cfm @ 1.100 lift with a 2.040 valve. We have found that this type head will make more horsepower, on a 800 cu. in. Pro Stock engine. This is because of better quality air on the intake side and a more efficient chamber. Sonny's also will offer rocker arms, valve covers, valve cover gaskets, aluminum blocks, crankshaft, 60 MM or 65 MM camshafts and sheetmetal manifold. This head is available to the general public in raw form or machined in different stages.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: PlumCrazyCharger]
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09/21/17 02:13 PM
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And what exactly written in that descriprion describes ANY production Chevy part that exists?? Could just as easily say Ford or Mopar, as it would have as much in common with those two as anything GM ever produced.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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09/21/17 02:21 PM
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And what exactly written in that descriprion describes ANY production Chevy part that exists?? Could just as easily say Ford or Mopar, as it would have as much in common with those two as anything GM ever produced. Did you miss this? Look, I'm not putting it down in anyway because it's an awesome engine and his car is flying. More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design. He correctly described it in the title as a Chemi.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: PlumCrazyCharger]
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09/21/17 03:17 PM
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Having seen many of them assembled and apart I can assure you it is nothing more than a purpose built race engine. Saying for GM applications is as accurate as saying it is for Audi applications, marketing plain ans simple.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: Guitar Jones]
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09/21/17 04:21 PM
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And what exactly written in that descriprion describes ANY production Chevy part that exists?? Could just as easily say Ford or Mopar, as it would have as much in common with those two as anything GM ever produced. Did you miss this? Look, I'm not putting it down in anyway because it's an awesome engine and his car is flying. More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design. He correctly described it in the title as a Chemi. LOL GM architecture?? nothing GM about it at all. At least a Top Fuel hemi crank as a chance of fitting in a OEM block.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
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09/22/17 01:26 PM
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The engine in question is in a Dodge, so I would say this engine is for a MOPAR application! You guys are too much. I love the car, love the package and I can really appreciate the effort. But if we are going to call it a purpose built race engine then the car is a purpose built race car and not a Dodge. Why can't we just accept it for what it is? A flying fast race car. PlumCrazyCharger your car is awesome, I absolutely love it. Congrats on making that thing fly and I hope to see you post some 5 second time slips.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
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09/23/17 01:21 PM
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[/quote]More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design. Absolutely incorrect. Nothing is based off GM architecture in that engine. From bore centers, to it's opposing valve layout, aong with every other aspect of that awesome poweplant.......ZERO GM. Unlike the current Fuel engines which are based on the 426 HEMI architecture. [/quote] So just because they poke, stroke and stretch, it no longer is based on a GM design. So you are saying it was a clean sheet design? Funny but when I look on the site every one of those engines has this on the first line. Sonny's in-house fully CNC ported Pro Stock GM "Next Generation" Hemispherical Cylinder Heads I don't know why you guys are so butt hurt over this. At least PlumCrazyCharger knows what he has.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
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09/24/17 04:58 AM
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More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design. Absolutely incorrect. Nothing is based off GM architecture in that engine. From bore centers, to it's opposing valve layout, aong with every other aspect of that awesome poweplant.......ZERO GM. Unlike the current Fuel engines which are based on the 426 HEMI architecture. [/quote] So just because they poke, stroke and stretch, it no longer is based on a GM design. So you are saying it was a clean sheet design? Funny but when I look on the site every one of those engines has this on the first line. Sonny's in-house fully CNC ported Pro Stock GM "Next Generation" Hemispherical Cylinder Heads I don't know why you guys are so butt hurt over this. At least PlumCrazyCharger knows what he has. [/quote]Butt hurt??? I just prefer to be accurate. It is not a GM design, because it is not based on a GM design. It has nothing to do with being poked, stroked, or stretched. There are plenty of current race engines that are based on a GM design.......including from Sonny's that are poked, stroked and stretched. This ain't one of em' and no amount of spin can change that fact. Of course if you choose to believe otherwise, that is entirely your prerogative.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
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09/24/17 06:56 AM
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I take it all back. The 762 doesn't specifically say GM next generation it just says "next generation". Call it what ever you want but it looks just like the engine in Greg Andersons Camaro.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: PlumCrazyCharger]
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09/25/17 12:10 PM
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Sonny is no dummy. His Hemi Mountain Motors use the same amount of Rambler parts as they do GM parts. How many do you think he would sell if he listed them as a Rambler application? Do you think that would be smart?
And as far as the bellhousing goes I've never seen a mountain motor that doesn't use a Chevy bellhousing.
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Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
[Re: jim sciortino]
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09/25/17 08:53 PM
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Call it what ever you want but it looks just like the engine in Greg Andersons Camaro. Yeah.......SUUUUURE it does.LOL I know. The guy that sells them says they are GM next gen pro stock heads. The guy that owns it says it's a Chevy but yet you purport to know better than either of them. OK. Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy, at least you won't be alone, there are plenty of people here living in a state of denial.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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