Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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Currently have a flat steel hood on my 69 Dart Wondering if going to a fiberglass hemi Dart hood would show any decent gains with good airpan on a mid 11 sec car.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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Any carb sucking hot under-hood air can benefit from cooler outside air and I always picked up but had to make tuning changes.....Then there's turbulence in some cases where the WRONG scoop can play havoc on bowl vents actually pulling fuel out of the bowls at speed etc..........
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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Any carb sucking hot under-hood air can benefit from cooler outside air and I always picked up but had to make tuning changes.....Then there's turbulence in some cases where the WRONG scoop can play havoc on bowl vents actually pulling fuel out of the bowls at speed etc.......... I was going to say the same thing and have a couple of things to add: * Any results you see can also depend on how the car is jetted to begin with. If it's a little rich, it can pick up. If it's a little lean, it may not help, or hurt. * Underhood air is more "consistent" than scooped outside air. In theory, a car without a scoop will be a bit more consistent/predictable than with a scoop. I had a friend & VG bracket racer who actually blocked off his '68 Cuda scoop with clear plexiglass. * Another friend had a '65 Plymouth with a correct Hemi style scoop over the 360 that occasionally did weird things. After unsealing the carb with vents in the foam, the problem went away. Inconsistent turbulence was the only thing we could think of.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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When I was running mid 11s, my car dropped a tenth and gained 1.5 mph just by sealing up the 6 pack hood scoop to the carb. Has to be worth more than that compared to a flat hood.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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I run EFI but It is through a 4150 throttle body located just like a carb. I run a stock hood and I log intake air temp(at the inlet of the TB). I have seen intake temps on the starting line as high as 140-150 degrees, and it cools off during the run as it jams the engine compartment with fresher air but it still is over 110* at the stripe. I plan on going fresh air soon but it will be part of a tunnel ram project I am working on so it won't be apples to apples. But I promise going from 140* temps to whatever is outside will gain power.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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How fast does your AT sensor measure air temp changes do you think or know?
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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I was talking to a buddy with a '71 Demon stocker last year and noticed he had the hood scoops sealed off. He said they picked up almost a tenth after closing them off.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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I don't know for sure, it is a GM sensor that is platic and mounted in a rubber grommet to prevent heat soak(its part of the holley throttle body)
It reacts reasonably quick when the air is moving quickly over it. I will see if I can find a log to post a picture of the slope from starting line to finish line.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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I was talking to a buddy with a '71 Demon stocker last year and noticed he had the hood scoops sealed off. He said they picked up almost a tenth after closing them off. From the factory the 71 Demon scoops were never open to the engine. They are just extra weight on the front of the car. The 72 with the sizzler scoop did have openings ducting air into the engine compartment but not sealed to the carb. On my Demon I never saw any difference with the scoop or not. I just liked the looks of the scoop. A friends AAR runs quicker/faster with the hood not sealed to the carbs. The TA is a different story it runs better with the hood sealed.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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From the factory the 71 Demon scoops were never open to the engine. There are round holes under each scoop. My Swinger had the same hood, and even had rubber rings on the holes.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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when I sealed up my carb to my 1970 Road Runner type hood , I had to retune my carb, also AFR is more consistent, the car runs much better with it sealed up,my car has ac & in southeast Tx, so under hood temps are very high, it really runs like a different car, for the better.
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Re: Any gains going to hood scoop on slower car?
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Hey, CSK, ever go to the barbecue place by the Katy IGA store next to the RR tracks? They used to be great, 10 years ago or so.
Two thoughts on hood scoops: 1. Most of the gains you will see, if any, come from the engine getting cooler air. The ram effect is much less than you'd expect.
2. It can screw up the carbs metering to have air going sideways at the entrance. Most downdraft carbs work the best with the air going straight into the carb.
Your mileage may vary.
R. There is Midway BBQ , I dont remember the name of the other BBQ place, but they are gone. Midway is very good !!!
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