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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #233506
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550 would be possible, I got 520 with a 236/242 cam;

Street 360/408 dyno results (520 CHP - 540 CTQ)





So, what did the 71 duster run with the 520 horse
408?
It was a 71 duster, right?


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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: BDS871Cuda] #233507
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Check jesses post with link

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: emarine01] #233508
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It's pretty funny to see the negative report from Hughes on these heads.

On my 2000, I broke a valve spring so instead of spending $500 on stock heads (valve job, resurface, new valve, new springs, seals, etc), I opted for the new Indy heads.

I got the 2.02 version. I didn't notice much difference but the top end does pull harder. However, my motor has the stock cam, exh manifolds, so it is begging for a cam! Basically, when it comes rebuild time, I will have all the head I need.

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: TheOtherDodge] #233509
07/17/09 03:45 PM
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just got the stock roller cam in my roller 318 reground by bullet cams, 259 adv dur, 208 at .050, 127 at .2, .316" lift on both the intake and exhaust. it's in a 9:1 engine with ported by me magnum heads, 1 5/8" headers, eddie 600, and eddie RPM air gap intake. I'll let you know how it runs once I get it together and fired up...

was $125 to regrind, and had I been more patient, it woulda been about $30 round trip shipping.


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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: patrick] #233510
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Did you pick those lobes or someone @ Bullet?

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: goldmember] #233511
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i did from their catalog. they wanted to spec something 10+ degrees bigger, and this is going into a heavy car, and I want my powerband to be from idle-5500


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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: TheOtherDodge] #233512
07/20/09 09:22 AM
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Our report is not negative. We love the heads and think they havea lot of potential. Just like our article says. However, if we can't install a taller spring they are pretty much useless.

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Hughes] #233513
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"However, if we can't install a taller spring they are pretty much useless."

So you can't use a longer valve?

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Hughes] #233514
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if we can't install a taller spring they are pretty much useless.




use a longer valve stem?


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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: TheOtherDodge] #233515
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"However, if we can't install a taller spring they are pretty much useless."

So you can't use a longer valve?


Thats what everyone is asking, why not a .100 or so longer valve?

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Thread Ender1] #233516
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Because at some point...it really starts to mess up valve train geometry.

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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: mrsmallblock] #233517
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"Because at some point...it really starts to mess up valve train geometry."


Too bad nobody's figured out how to address that...

With a little work in terms of valve job, valves, and springs/hardware, from what I saw, these heads should be able to reach the level of a stage 2 ported RPM for $500-700 less. There's a ton of potential there and it's too bad you are being negative about them. Saying otherwise makes Hughes look.. well.. stupid for lack of a better term. I had a good look at them in Carlisle on Thursday with Sam.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: moper] #233518
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Moper, I think you are totally misreading what I am writing. We are not against these heads. We are a dealer for INDY and RHS and we want to sell these heads! We are just trying to put as much info out there as possible. We have talked to INDY and RHS about this spring height issue and they both know it is a problem. The problem with a longer valve is, exactly as someone said, the rocker geometry gets way out of whack. When this problem gets fixed this will be our small block iron head of choice. It flows great and has a great port design.
Kevin

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Hughes] #233519
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Are these heads closed chambered?


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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Hughes] #233520
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Ah. I don't think I misread. I read it as "the head as it sits is useless". I tedn to disagree with that initially. And, I'd think if you were really interested in marketing them, you guys might be instrumental in helping addres the design. As "for instance", replacing the valves with long Chevy valves w/ 11/32 stems and spacing up the pedestals on the MA-X or using shaft support block and doing something similar on the LA-Xs. I'm not positive those would both work, but it seems less pessemistic to say "we're helping work on it" than to say "They're usless and we'll wait for Indy/RHS to try and fix it." If it was my perception I apologize.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: moper] #233521
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No problem Moper..... It is hard to communicate well through typing. (lol). What I mean is that it is easy to misunderstand each other. Anyway, we have tried to work with them on correcting the design but so far they do not seem interested. We are hoping that this thread will generate some phone calls to INDY or RHS.
Have a good week! Kevin

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: moper] #233522
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Quote:

Ah. I don't think I misread. I read it as "the head as it sits is useless". I tedn to disagree with that initially. And, I'd think if you were really interested in marketing them, you guys might be instrumental in helping addres the design. As "for instance", replacing the valves with long Chevy valves w/ 11/32 stems and spacing up the pedestals on the MA-X or using shaft support block and doing something similar on the LA-Xs. I'm not positive those would both work, but it seems less pessemistic to say "we're helping work on it" than to say "They're usless and we'll wait for Indy/RHS to try and fix it." If it was my perception I apologize.




yeah, I guess to me it seems pretty easy, especially on the magnum side, why can't you just space the rocker pedestals up a like amount as the added valve length? or 90% of aftermarket magnum rockers dump the pedestals for studs anyway.....


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Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Hughes] #233523
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IIRC, those heads come with a spring for up to .550 lift. Without checking, I believe there should be no problem with using a .100 longer valve. That should allow you to use a spring that is big enough to handle a pretty good size cam. Thoughts?

I think the reason some of us question your (Hughes) sentiments of the head is that we have had bad experiences with the customer service from your company, me included. This includes conversations with Hughes that imply "anything that we run that is not Hughes is junk".

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: moper] #233524
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This is a different LA head but, with the same lay-out.

Anybody with a fraction of mechanical apptitude can visualize
how putting longer and longer valves will quickly, "Not Work".
Additional machining operations and "band-aid" fixes only add
to the subsiquent cost of a buget head.

Hughes has corrected rocker arm geometry on the OEM LA
heads for years so, they have a clue.

We are all guilty of our occasional, poor choice of words and
my hand is up as I am FREQUENTLY misunderstood.

I hope all involved get this rectified in short order.

-Vic Bloomer

Re: RHS INDY 360X heads!! [Re: Hughes] #233525
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Hughes, so these heads are better then the iron ram 2.02 heads?


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