Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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06/29/17 08:09 AM
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I can't tell or show about that. Personaly never have seen on any body, BUT I know 2 friends who made that on their Darts! One of them is the Dart posted from the FB profile which I know personally since 2002. Unless they lied me.
Need to note is a job made on a machine job per what they told me. Press, weld and machine job is required. Not a bolt on two pieces axles.
GUYS, IF I'M WRONG, REALLY SORRY I'm just tellling what they suposelly told me made to the mod. Is not a personal experience. So if they lie me I can't find a reason why did it
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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06/29/17 10:56 AM
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When I went to 4 1/2" pattern I used a adapter. Never had a problem with them on the front. It does as mentioned above, it out sets your wheel the thickness of the adapter. I'm running the adapters on my 67 Barracuda in my picture. I later found a 74 Dart disc brake set up and converted it. The car came with a 8 3/4 and bought aftermarket axles for the rear.
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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06/29/17 12:15 PM
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nacho, you are a straight shooter and stand up guy, so don't be too hard on yourself. things in your neck of the woods are worlds apart from here in the states, so anything is possible. modifications to make something usable is understood to sometimes be the only viable option opposed to having something imported, which can/would be cost prohibitive. don't worry! I can understand that and thanks ok just called to the Swinger owner and explained me with detail how they did it! as you say, is in fact a one piece assembly BUT they really CHANGED the hubs. Of course was a machine shop job. What they made is cut the hubs on both axles, cut splines on the Dart axle and press fit the B body hubs into the Dart axles. Then seam weld on both faces of the hub. They told me is a pretty much tipical job done here for old BIG ton trucks ( several brands ) where original axles are become hard to find, so holds the heavy duty abuse with confidence. They in fact race with this car and the job done for long time, although about a year ago or so, they got new aftermarket axles ( I think with green bearings ) so, it is posible to do it, but maybe easier modify the axle splines getting the right thickness axle on inner end ( per this website ) from B bodies if you want to keep somehow the stock assembly, not aftermarket pieces http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-9910-how-to-install-a-big-bolt-pattern/
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/01/17 09:24 AM
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Seems like a ton of work when new axle shafts with new bearings and new studs is just under $300 at Dr Diff.
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/01/17 12:17 PM
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Agreed, except if you can make it by yourself, saving the maching payment.
I wouldn't use green bearings thought, would keep stock ones. I Think DrDiff are to be used with green bearings? Dunno the Moser ones.
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/01/17 01:15 PM
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Seems like a ton of work when new axle shafts with new bearings and new studs is just under $300 at Dr Diff. But when you do that, different drums and shoes, maybe backing plates too depending on drum size. Then worrying about wheel offset, tire clearance...
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/03/17 07:39 PM
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What donor parts would be needed to change from small bolt pattern wheels to big pattern on a 1967 dodge dart? Thanks for any help I didn't read the other replies so know that this might have been said. I priced doing this from a salvage like 15 years ago. I added up salvage price on control arms and spindles. Then i added in ball joints, rotors, calipers, pads, bearings, all new because I wanted reliability, I also added in an alignment. I think I came up to about $550. I bought a wildwood brake kit for $600 and have enjoyed the upgrade ever since, I got disc brakes and the big bolt pattern out of the deal. This was on a car that is a street strip application but the wildwood stuff has been great, no parts changes other than pads in 15 years. For the rear I upgraded to 35 spline axles and had Moser do the axles with both bolt patterns.
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/03/17 08:41 PM
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exactly what axle do you have that you "upgraded" to 35 splines and what did you do for brakes?
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/04/17 09:11 AM
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Excuse the lack of detail in that post, I have an 8.75 rear axle with a spool. When I upgraded the axles Moser did them with both bolt patterns because I was still on small bolt wheels but I saw the need to go big bolt in the future. I had a machine shop friend drill the bolt pattern onto my existing drums when I made the change.
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/05/17 06:11 PM
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Seems like a ton of work when new axle shafts with new bearings and new studs is just under $300 at Dr Diff. I dont know if you ment us drilling the axles on my boys Dart ? But we did that in 1996 actually and I dont even know if Dr Diff was around back then or if he was I did not know of him back then. Ron
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/05/17 09:21 PM
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I was referring to Nacho's friend's method.
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Re: Small to big bolt pattern wheels
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07/05/17 11:18 PM
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I was referring to Nacho's friend's method. I thought you were buy was not sure. Thanks , Ron
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