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Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: cyphre666] #23227 01/26/06 12:40 PM 01/26/06 12:40 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,324 A gulag near you.	Quote: The 500 wedges are 4 bolt mains but 500 wedges are built in NEW MEGABLOCKS ....

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: JohnRR] #23228 01/26/06 12:40 PM 01/26/06 12:40 PM
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john55 master J Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio	Quote: , second is a cam that takes a 3 bolt timing gear , it MUST HAVE BOTH ......forgot that one Last edited by JohnRR; 01/26/06 12:45 PM.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? #23229 01/26/06 12:41 PM 01/26/06 12:41 PM
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VCODE top fuel Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,418 White Plains, NY	Now I am more mixed up. I hear something about a 6 stamped on the block itself down below pad. Is this true Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17 (Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: VCODE] #23230 01/26/06 12:42 PM 01/26/06 12:42 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,324 A gulag near you.	Quote: Now I am more mixed up. I hear something about a 6 stamped on the block itself down below pad. Is this true NO .... there is alot of MISINFORMATION that has been spread around over the years ...

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: JohnRR] #23231 01/26/06 12:44 PM 01/26/06 12:44 PM
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InViolent master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,389 Kenmore, New York	...And it must have the correct balancer and rods to boot, right?

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: JohnRR] #23232 01/26/06 12:45 PM 01/26/06 12:45 PM
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AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Quote: the only way to tell an original 6pk shortblock is to find an unmolested block , it MUST have these 2 items , first is pistons with 4 valve reliefs , second is a cam that takes a 3 bolt timing gear , it MUST HAVE BOTH third way to tell is is you can match the #s stamped on the block to a KNOWN SIX PACK CAR VIN My original 69 440-6 block is stamped HP not HP2 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: InViolent] #23233 01/26/06 12:46 PM 01/26/06 12:46 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,324 A gulag near you.	Quote: ...And it must have the correct balancer and rods to boot, right? thats a given since BOTH the 440-4 and the 6 pk have the same rods and balancer .

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: VCODE] #23234 01/26/06 12:47 PM 01/26/06 12:47 PM
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DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: Now I am more mixed up. I hear something about a 6 stamped on the block itself down below pad. Is this true No it's not true. Don't be mixed up. Like John said there are NO MARKINGS to determine it's a 440-6 except if you can match the partial VIN to a V-code VIN car. You can tell by the pistons and cam, but what are the odds that it still has the original pistons and cam after 36 years? 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: DPelletier] #23235 01/26/06 12:48 PM 01/26/06 12:48 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,324 A gulag near you.	Quote: Quote: Now I am more mixed up. I hear something about a 6 stamped on the block itself down below pad. Is this true No it's not true. Don't be mixed up. Like John said there are NO MARKINGS to determine it's a 440-6 except if you can match the partial VIN to a V-code VIN car. You can tell by the pistons and cam, but what are the odds that it still has the original pistons and cam after 36 years? exactly , thats why the myth is still thriving , spread by those looking to make a buck

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: DPelletier] #23236 01/26/06 12:51 PM 01/26/06 12:51 PM
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AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	I fixed it for you Quote: No it's not true. Don't be mixed up. Like John said there are NO MARKINGS to determine it's a 440-6 except if you can match the partial VIN to a V-code VIN car OR 69 M CODE A12 CAR. You can tell by the pistons and cam, but what are the odds that it still has the original pistons and cam after 36 years? 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE] #23237 01/26/06 01:16 PM 01/26/06 01:16 PM
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U_Code_Cuda enthusiast Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 341 New Jersey	My 1970 U-code Cuda is stamped HP2 and is original #'s motor(partial vin on motor). Car has a harmonic balancer that resembles a cast crank. All 440-4 and 440-6 used the heavy six pack rods and in turn used a externally balanced crank.... 1970 R/T Challenger 4-speed 1971 Demon 340 3-speed

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: U_Code_Cuda] #23238 01/26/06 01:23 PM 01/26/06 01:23 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,259 Oregon	I have an old block that is stamped HP2. I think it is a 1968 383 if I recall correctly. That was how I finally figured out that the HP2 stuff was mostly just mis-information spread around by guys trying to scalp a few extra bucks.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: JohnRR] #23239 01/26/06 01:26 PM 01/26/06 01:26 PM
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DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: Quote: ...And it must have the correct balancer and rods to boot, right? thats a given since BOTH the 440-4 and the 6 pk have the same rods and balancer . ........which means you can't use the rods and balancer to determine if a motor is a 6-Pack or not. All HP motors used "6-Pack" rods and balancers (which make you wonder why the heck they called them "6-Pack" rods). Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE] #23240 01/26/06 01:31 PM 01/26/06 01:31 PM
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DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: I fixed it for you Quote: No it's not true. Don't be mixed up. Like John said there are NO MARKINGS to determine it's a 440-6 except if you can match the partial VIN to a V-code VIN car OR 69 M CODE A12 CAR. You can tell by the pistons and cam, but what are the odds that it still has the original pistons and cam after 36 years? Thanks Dave!! No offence was intended to my A-12 brothers!!! Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: AndyF] #23241 01/26/06 01:34 PM 01/26/06 01:34 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: I have an old block that is stamped HP2. I think it is a 1968 383 if I recall correctly. That was how I finally figured out that the HP2 stuff was mostly just mis-information spread around by guys trying to scalp a few extra bucks. Exactly! If I see one more supposed "440-6 Pack block" (with no real proof) on E-Bay, I'm gonna Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: DPelletier] #23242 01/26/06 01:34 PM 01/26/06 01:34 PM
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VCODE top fuel Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,418 White Plains, NY	So what does the B stamped on the top of my pad mean Thanks Guys for all the help Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17 (Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: VCODE] #23243 01/26/06 01:39 PM 01/26/06 01:39 PM
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68LAR master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,017 South Park, Pa.	Unless I'm mistaken, the "B" indicates the year of the engine. 4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: 68LAR] #23244 01/26/06 01:42 PM 01/26/06 01:42 PM
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VCODE top fuel Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,418 White Plains, NY	I am sorry, I should have said that it is a 70 stamped F440 with the HP and 11 111 and a B Thanks again Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17 (Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: VCODE] #23245 01/26/06 01:43 PM 01/26/06 01:43 PM
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68LAR master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,017 South Park, Pa.	I don't know what that means. 4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: AndyF] #23246 01/26/06 01:44 PM 01/26/06 01:44 PM
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InViolent master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,389 Kenmore, New York	Quote: My 1970 U-code Cuda is stamped HP2 and is original #'s motor(partial vin on motor). Car has a harmonic balancer that resembles a cast crank. All 440-4 and 440-6 used the heavy six pack rods and in turn used a externally balanced crank.... Now wait a minute! I thought 70-71 only did the 440-4V HP use the same balancer as the 440+6. In 69, wasn't the 440+6 the only engine to use this configuaration? Did the Forged crank 440's in 72-74 use the same balancer? I guess another wat to put it..."When did the 440-4 and 440+6 share the same rod/balancer part number?" And finally...how can I identify a "Six-Pack" Rod? Thanks

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