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1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? #23207 01/25/06 07:41 PM 01/25/06 07:41 PM
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mc4406 OP member M Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 90 Central, Indiana	Is there a difference between the HP and the HP2?? Thanks

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: mc4406] #23208 01/25/06 07:44 PM 01/25/06 07:44 PM
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05dakota I Live Here 0 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,872 albany ny	shift built on

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: 05dakota] #23209 01/25/06 07:45 PM 01/25/06 07:45 PM
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Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: 05dakota] #23210 01/25/06 07:46 PM 01/25/06 07:46 PM
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mc4406 OP member M Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 90 Central, Indiana	Thats what i've heard before, But someone told me the other day, They thought HP2 went into 6 pack cars and HP where 440-4 cars

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: mc4406] #23211 01/25/06 07:49 PM 01/25/06 07:49 PM
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05dakota I Live Here 0 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,872 albany ny	wrong

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: 05dakota] #23212 01/25/06 07:51 PM 01/25/06 07:51 PM
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mc4406 OP member M Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 90 Central, Indiana	Thanks For the info

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: mc4406] #23213 01/25/06 08:34 PM 01/25/06 08:34 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,324 A gulag near you.	Quote: Thats what i've heard before, But someone told me the other day, They thought HP2 went into 6 pack cars and HP where 440-4 cars ... WRONG ...

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: mc4406] #23214 01/25/06 08:39 PM 01/25/06 08:39 PM
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formula_s master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,005 North Pole,New York	Quote: Is there a difference between the HP and the HP2?? Thanks Yes ,big difference; those HP2 blocks have a high nickel content and four bolt mains!!!. Oh never mind thats ford and gm stuff.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: formula_s] #23215 01/25/06 09:00 PM 01/25/06 09:00 PM
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Fabman master Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,634 Right Coast	Quote: Quote: Is there a difference between the HP and the HP2?? Thanks Yes ,big difference; those HP2 blocks have a high nickel content and four bolt mains!!!. Oh never mind thats ford and gm stuff. did they ever build a 4 bolt main block 440? Last edited by Fabman; 01/25/06 09:01 PM.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: Fabman] #23216 01/25/06 09:03 PM 01/25/06 09:03 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,640 Oakland, MI	Yeah it's a small bore version called a Hemi.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: Fabman] #23217 01/25/06 09:36 PM 01/25/06 09:36 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,507 Royersford, PA B bschargerse master
bschargerse master B Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,507 Royersford, PA	Quote: did they ever build a 4 bolt main block 440? Aren't the new 440 engines in the Mopar Performance catalog cross bolted mains? They look it from the pics. Brian - 1971 Dodge Challenger "The Dodge, which was practically stock, just left the Mustang like you wouldn't believe."

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: bschargerse] #23218 01/25/06 11:33 PM 01/25/06 11:33 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,324 A gulag near you.	Quote: Quote: did they ever build a 4 bolt main block 440? Aren't the new 440 engines in the Mopar Performance catalog cross bolted mains? They look it from the pics. why yes they are , i have one

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: mc4406] #23219 01/26/06 09:34 AM 01/26/06 09:34 AM
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cyphre666 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,233 Eastern North Carolina	The 500 wedges are 4 bolt mains

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: 05dakota] #23220 01/26/06 11:48 AM 01/26/06 11:48 AM
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VCODE top fuel Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,418 White Plains, NY	So the only difference between the HP and HP2 is the shift it was built on. How do you tell if it was a 440-4 or a 440-6pac engine. Was there a stamp or number on the block. I know the v in the Vin is for six pack engine. Also what does a B stamped on the pad mean. Thanks Bob Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17 (Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: VCODE] #23221 01/26/06 11:55 AM 01/26/06 11:55 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Wanna know what my 1970 dodge 440 SIXPACK block says on the "dist pad area".?

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? #23222 01/26/06 12:00 PM 01/26/06 12:00 PM
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05dakota I Live Here 0 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,872 albany ny	hp2 is block built on the day shift, all hp2 blocks are not six pack blocks.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: 05dakota] #23223 01/26/06 12:07 PM 01/26/06 12:07 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I am not so sure about that dak man mine says HP then space then 2 then next line says F440 then the diamond which I believe is the pressure test stamping. Every article I have ever read by the "experts" states something new or supercedes something else.

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? #23224 01/26/06 12:17 PM 01/26/06 12:17 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Do you dudes remember the old MuscleCar Review Magazine? There was an excellent article by roger gibson on correctly detailing the 440sixpack/6bbl engine I think it was the fall 97 issue. It states all 440-4 barrel was h.p. only all sixpacks were H.P.2 only however this has been debuked countless times since then!!

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? [Re: VCODE] #23225 01/26/06 12:34 PM 01/26/06 12:34 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio J john55 master
john55 master J Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio	Quote: So the only difference between the HP and HP2 is the shift it was built on. How do you tell if it was a 440-4 or a 440-6pac engine. Was there a stamp or number on the block. IIRC the 440 6 bbl had a different piston than the 440 magnum, pretty hard to tell if a block was a 6bbl if you couldn't see the pistons, or have the partial vin on the r/s of block and you knew for sure the vin was for a 6 bbl car......just my opinion,you don't have to agree or disagree...... The Plymouth Win You Over Beat Goes On

Re: 1970 440 HP Vs HP2 ?? #23226 01/26/06 12:38 PM 01/26/06 12:38 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,324 A gulag near you.	Quote: Do you dudes remember the old MuscleCar Review Magazine? There was an excellent article by roger gibson on correctly detailing the 440sixpack/6bbl engine I think it was the fall 97 issue. It states all 440-4 barrel was h.p. only all sixpacks were H.P.2 only however this has been debuked countless times since then!! thats why many think it because, roger gibson said so . its has been proven FALSE ... the only way to tell an original 6pk shortblock is to find an unmolested block , it MUST have these 2 items , first is pistons with 4 valve reliefs , second is a cam that takes a 3 bolt timing gear , it MUST HAVE BOTH

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