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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2311498
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You can see how abused this is.I can get a framing square from tab to tab and mic the depth from the edge of the square.Is this the correct way?
a rough measurement shows a .256 nose past the mounting tabs so add what warn off the nose .004 maybe so .260.

Correction the measurement is .200 ,I used a metal ruler this time that was 1' and I got a better measurement.Sorry!

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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2311534
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The flex plate offset lets the TC in .318
1 last measurement is the vert bolt pad from the front of the trans is .520 as installed.

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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2311734
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Just .129 too long on the nose. +/-


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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2311938
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While all that measuring ,drawing is good I still want to check physically and I have no help so I may have to put the block on the floor and put the crank in and flexplate and hold the vert to the crank to see what it measures with feelers.
ps:I just fitted the crank,vert together and no problems fits nice up to the flexplate.so much for that!it does bottom in the pilot hole so I think it could use some room like .010 off the nose of the vert.

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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2312117
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I am looking at a .188 mid plate and use a .030 washer behind the flexplate to back the nose off the crank.


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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2312476
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This is funny , I have the same problem . I compared my TC to a used Dynamic and measured the center hub and it is .122 longer with less of a taper on the end of the hub. Im sending the converter back . Motor is assembled so machining the crank is not gonna happen . The hub sticks out about .60 past the flex plate . The Dynamic is only .45 past the flex plate with more of a taper on the end . I wonder why the company that built the converter did not check this. I also had to enlarge the holes in the flex plate to get the holes to line up perfectly. I will check this in all future builds. Btw, I have a stock crank .

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Wow sorry to hear that!Be sure to triple check everything.I not only had a thrust problem but my mains are tight that jut did not workout so I have to align hone also.We never need the cost of something like this and is never a good time.Keep us posted on how things go please!Thank you for posting in my thread!

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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2312805
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Originally Posted By Clanton
Just .129 too long on the nose. +/-
The 1 mistake I made in my drawing is the flex plate should be back .100 from the crank flange where I measured from the bolt surface.This also moves back the nose of the vert measurement.

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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2312819
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I think I found that the lug on the pump gear is too tall .747 +/- and won't let my tc in the pump enough.


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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2312858
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I also found the pump tab has the lip facing the back of the trans on the max lug gear.This should be to the front correct?


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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2313162
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If you used the hardened pump gear it go's in one way with the bulk of the drive tang length toward the tranny not toward the engine.


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Originally Posted By dartman366
If you used the hardened pump gear it go's in one way with the bulk of the drive tang length toward the tranny not toward the engine.
Thank, you for the info!Now to get it fixed.


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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2313200
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Originally Posted By Clanton
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If you used the hardened pump gear it go's in one way with the bulk of the drive tang length toward the tranny not toward the engine.
Thank, you for the info!Now to get it fixed.
I failed to tell you that the side that go's toward the engine will have a fairly large champher to help the hub engage the gear also.


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If you used the hardened pump gear it go's in one way with the bulk of the drive tang length toward the tranny not toward the engine.
Thank, you for the info!Now to get it fixed.
I failed to tell you that the side that go's toward the engine will have a fairly large champher to help the hub engage the gear also.
Ya I can't see that either and will try to locate it with a hanger i have with a hook on the end.I am catching a chamfer and did my best to measure more to the center and got .700 with the TC slot at .660 from the wear on it in the center.

PS:I know you are tired of hearing from me,sorry
I called TCI and they gave me what comes to 5.688 and when I measure my output shaft in the trans to the pump bottom I get 5.685 and that leaves no pump to drive hub room in which they want .125 to .187.
If you can help ok thank you.

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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: PorkyPig] #2314048
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Originally Posted By PorkyPig
Are there any standard dimensions for the depth of the crank pilot hole and the length of the converter snout?
The std dimension is .188 that I can tell and my nose is about .210 measuring from the tab on the vert to the nose of it with a straight edge and dial caliper.I figure I could answer a couple question in this topic.


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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2314197
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There are wear marks the depth of the fit with the pump drive and it is .565 deep of the end and that gives .100 to the current drive slot so I can adjust the depth of the drive hub going by that.You could put Dykem on the drive hub with a new TC to see this.

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Re: Crank not deep enough for converter nose [Re: Clanton] #2314255
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Thank you John Cope for some tech help !The pump tab is .209 to .193 below the top of the gear so from the pump bottom to the top of the tab is .547 ish and close to the wear on my drive hub on the vert so this will help a lot in getting things cut correct.

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