Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: rowin4]
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03/26/17 04:23 AM
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cudaman1969
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If I were doing them for a living there's a plastic tubing kit where there's a ton of curves and straights that snap together and make each tube (all four at one time). They come in different size tubes and allow for any bend and really look like a header when all snaped together, infinitely adjustable. They start at $245 and go up, no more guessing and trial fitting. Isn't that the kit that you send in to have the pipes bent to there shape? Ice engine works "Dramatically simplify header and turbo manifold design and fabrication with these modeling blocks from Icengineworks! These blocks simply snap together to form header primaries that can then be duplicated by cutting and welding commonly available prebent U-bends and J-bends. Included with each kit are both straight and curved blocks in a variety of radii. Each block represents a 1 inch arc length of tubing. Blocks of different sizes can also be connected to simulate stepped headers. Each block is molded with a series of markings and index points to make the transition to metal as easy as possible."
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: JD Dart]
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03/26/17 12:03 PM
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Just finished doing a set for a friend of mine way too many hours and frustration to do this any more let more talent people do this. His car was a hard one to fit the tubes into. Very nice!
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/26/17 12:25 PM
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Never again? That would be a shame. Looks like you did a nice job. I agree... he knows how and nice welds Thank you and every one else for the kind words. This felt more like a job and I wasn't enjoying it. Nobody will pay all the hours we have into making them. Welding alone was 9hrs Last set I made for mine had 2 to 3 welds per tube but being a chassis car was easy
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/26/17 01:03 PM
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Hot rod did a test (is a you tube videos of it) where they did back to pulls on a set of headers. Then took a hammer and beat a dent into a tube ....made a pull...more dents...a lot of dents. And I think was like a 6 or 7 hp loss. And the headers looked like junk I watched that some time back.. I do have a couple of questions on it.. first.. if a bented up set of headers works just as well.. doesnt that give you the idea that the area of those were to large to start with.. second.. if that held true.. why arent all the pro stocks beating up there headers.. my opinion on that vid is they were too big to start with.. but a lot of people use to big They did a follow up episode, because so many people made that same argument. The Header Bash episode and the follow up Pick the Right Exhaust Header The results were interesting
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: cudaman1969]
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03/26/17 02:16 PM
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If I were doing them for a living there's a plastic tubing kit where there's a ton of curves and straights that snap together and make each tube (all four at one time). They come in different size tubes and allow for any bend and really look like a header when all snaped together, infinitely adjustable. They start at $245 and go up, no more guessing and trial fitting. That is the Ice Engine works kit. Their full kit for one diameter size is around $1,500. That includes the $700 cutting jig. http://www.icengineworks.com/http://www.icengineworks.com/product-category/series/1750-series/
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: 451Mopar]
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03/26/17 08:04 PM
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If I were doing them for a living there's a plastic tubing kit where there's a ton of curves and straights that snap together and make each tube (all four at one time). They come in different size tubes and allow for any bend and really look like a header when all snaped together, infinitely adjustable. They start at $245 and go up, no more guessing and trial fitting. That is the Ice Engine works kit. Their full kit for one diameter size is around $1,500. That includes the $700 cutting jig. http://www.icengineworks.com/http://www.icengineworks.com/product-category/series/1750-series/ Yea, I was way off on the price, but I imagine they would make it easy for fitting in a tight chassis (440 in an a-body). There's a company that makes stainless steel headers for class cars and they start at $3500
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Re: Header building Never again!!
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03/26/17 11:01 PM
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Cutting and piecing together is the easy part, you just have to know how to cut angles. I made a angle chart on a piece of aluminum from 90 ,45 and 22 1/2 degree's, marked the angle I needed and cut.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: rowin4]
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03/26/17 11:32 PM
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I built a set for my small block D50. And there is not much room at all under the hood of it and it has inner fenders. I would probably be faster if someone that knows what they were doing built me some. This was my first set I have built. I ordered flanges from TTI and 2 header kits for a small block Chevy from Summit.
1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: JD Dart]
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03/27/17 01:57 PM
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CMcAllister
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Tell someone 2.5K for a nice set of headers and they often look at you like you have 3 heads. Quality material and parts, keep them equal length within .5", make them fit, make them reasonable to get on and off, the handwork of the collectors and the inside of the tubes at the flanges, etc., etc. Any less and you are just doing it for a hobby.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: JD Dart]
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03/27/17 02:15 PM
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there are some very impressive skills floating around this place, in spite of the slight differences of opinion...mighty fine handiwork shown here.
Rich H.
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: 451Mopar]
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03/27/17 06:48 PM
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Bob J
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We may to build a set also for a 392 Hemi first gen in a 57 Desoto Firesweep.
07 Porsche C2 997.1 6spd DD and SCCA Solo II SS 68 Plymouth GTX Convert. 493cu Hotkiss Wilwood Classic air, Building for Solo II Cam 65 Chrysler 300 Convert. project 57 Desoto 2dr. Firesweep 392 Hemi,Wilwood Project with son 2003 Dodge Dakota R/T "DEAD"
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Re: Header building Never again!!
[Re: 451Mopar]
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03/27/17 06:56 PM
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I struggled with headers on mine and was ready to load up and take my pile to Arizona but I found a local guy that did some header work. The headers I had made for a low deck big block a body which was a challenge especially made as I wanted. I absolutely did not want in chassis headers which limits any header builder especially with 2 1/8 stepped to 2 1/4 primary. I notched my firewall to give him clearance and came out awesome but a little long which he said run them and we can shorten them if it hurts the HP. So far I've gained 60 foot and lost 1 mph.
Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack
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