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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2300602
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coil bind on the spring? is it too much lift for the springs?


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: LaRoy Engines] #2300610
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Originally Posted By LaRoy Engines
Did you install the heads OOTB?


YES

Springs are rated for .600 Max per Edelbrock ?

Running 284-484 Mopar Cam


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2300613
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Let me guess

Pull the heads and bring to a machine shop

What's Edelbrock going to say if an issue was found


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2300622
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Another thing

Bending that pushrod , would it have effected or strained the rocker arm shafts and or bolts / studs holding everything down torqued to 25 foot pounds per instructions

One of the bolts looked like it had shiny threads or filings , but the Edelbrock Heads have heli coils threaded in the rocker arm shaft attaching bosses and those threaded inserts looked brand new perfect from what I can tell

I don't know man

Got a car show with 10 moparts heading over and I have no f ing car

Guess rip everything apart again and start over

Don't know what else to do

Just frustrated , so much time between work and this , waiting for parts , powder coating , paint


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2300867
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A good service prep with valve job is needed on almost every aftermarket cylinder head. I never install any cylinder head OOTB. They need to be disassembled, inspected, corrected and cleaned. I have found Edelbrock heads with out-of-round valves and seats, guide clearance too tight and bad rocker shaft heli coils. The bad heli coils are generally on the right hand side of the head and need to be tapped or replaced so that the bolts will screw in by hand.

Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2300983
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How good were these new pushrods?

Did you check to make sure there was no clearance issues with the pushrods and heads?

I had a set of EStreet heads come through the shop a year or so ago......had waaay too tight guide clearance.
edelbrock heads in general have less guide clearance than I prefer, but this one set was particularly tight.
It was because of the stem diameter in that instance.
Edelbrock seems to prefer the valves be .0005(half a thou) smaller than what typical for the industry.
.3410 is "normal", Edelbrock likes to use stems that are .3405, and they set the guide sizes based on the valves being .3405.
This one set of E Streets had valves with stems that were .3410....... so the guide clearance was .0005 less than normal(for Edelbrock). The intakes had like almost no clearance and the exhaust were about .0006.

The only way to know whether they're good or not......is to take them apart and check.

However, since it's all together, if the new pushrods are at all questionable......I'd change those first.


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2301047
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Thanx guys

I really appreciate all your insight and help , much appreciated

Should I pull the intake first and check the cam and lifter ?

Can't see much through these heads into the lifter valley

Anyways the rocker shaft and rocker arms look fine , also the valve and stem look fine also

Guy at the car show yesterday has the tools for me to pop the valve spring off on the head if needed , while the head is still on the car - Air in cylinder or the rope trick to see if the valve moves freely - Told me to rubber band the valve stem so once the spring is off it doesn't drop in the cylinder while I try to slide it

I can steal a Snap On Borescope from work today if needed

Also the pushrods are

Melling MPR - 321 they are marked and looked and rotated perfectly when I turned the motor over by remote switch prior to installing the intake pan last week - Clearance looked great and everything smooth , zero issues with clearance on head holes

Melling MPR - 321 Part Numbers

Also again how about the cam and lifter ? Can't really see in there

Thanx again


Edit - What new pushrods should I order ? And a new lifter ? should I pull the intake pan again



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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2301113
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Those are OE replacement pushrods.

Not up to the task IMO.

I would call Smith Brothers and order some .080 wall heat treated pushrods that match the length of what you have there....... No oil holes.

If you get the borescope, pull the distributor out and look in the valley to see that the snap ring in the lifter is still properly in place.
If it is, you should be fine.


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2301783
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Can see the snap ring in the lifter through the pushrod hole
Looks fine buts that's all I can see is just the top of lifter

Brought a spring compressor home last night from a Mopar guy at the airport
Bolted it in place on the head and rotated it down and the valve moved freely up and down and sounded nice snapping back in place against the valve seat

Compared to other valves on the same head everything felt and went very smooth

Did a compression check on that cylinder while a friend was opening and closing that valve with the spring tool and the gauge read 180 #s

So I would assume things are fine

Snap On Videoscope is broke at work , new camera end ordered , just my luck yesterday

Anyways now have to order new pushrods , you said same factory length of 8.575 "

Wish I could see that cam lobe

Thanx Scott


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2301828
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I have no idea what the correct length should be for your motor.

I assumed you chose that length because it gave you the desired lifter preload.


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2302426
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Fast 68 I sent you a message

Cam lobe and lifter for that intake valve bent pushrod looked perfect when I pulled the intake and pan this morning

Same with all cam lobes and lifters and pushrods except

However the exhaust valve same cylinder , wiped out cam lobe and wiped out lifter , pushrod fine

I gots a major headache

Thanx Scott


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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2317958
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Short Block Is At The Machine Shop

Exhaust Valve On That Same #4 Cylinder Kissed A Piston

That Was The Issue , One Exhaust Valve , One Small Mark In Piston

Heads Have Been Gone Through At Machine Shop , Everything Looks Great

Block Looks Excellent Per Machine Shop - Rebuilt .030 Over Twenty Years Ago
Flat Tops Forged Speed Pro


Anyways Time To Spend Some Money While Everything Is Out And Apart


Decided To Go With Mancini Racing 432 Stroker Kit - Have Not Talked To Them Yet As Machine Shop Will Bee Ordering Next Week

Running These Same 75 cc E Street Heads

Now It Comes Down To Diamond Pistons And Compression Ratio Kit Per CC From Mancini Website Stroker Kits Plus Cam Selection Before Ordering All The Parts And Kit

Looking At Comp Cams XE Series And Lunati Voodoo Cams
Filled Out Both There Cam Selection Cards Online Forms , Just Waiting To Here Back From Them

Street Car Performance

3:91 Gears

Auto Trans Also Getting Rebuilt - Turbo Action Valve Body - Street Auto

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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383 [Re: moparpro] #2317967
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Just so you know - the rods in the mancini kit are heavy as - a full 130g each heavier than same spec 440 source ones - over 2 lbs extra flying about inside the block in total - Homework time!

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