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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
[Re: theraif]
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03/20/17 06:55 PM
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Its crazy that a LITTLE air port can have this kind of impact on a big business.. I have only seen a dozen planes land or take off from there over the years.. it may come down to Baders buying it then closing it for good.. but I'm sure the pilots that fly out of there dont want that 
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
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03/20/17 11:46 PM
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IMO as a pilot after looking at the situation on goggle earth, foreflight and looking at the AD(airport directory) that give me the pattern info on the the airport, I agree the poles are a concern. The planes are not at 600' the whole time, JR is confused.
Pattern altitude is 1850msl', that's a 1000' AGL above ground level on the down wind and then it is lower the closer you get to the runway. By the time the plane is on final it can be below 65'AGL when it's approaching the runway. Not all approaches are straight in either. This airport has displaced thresholds meaning the whole asphalt strip is not used for landing and puts the poles more in the approach area. In a emergency you head to the runway at any angle if you can get there and you can see why those 2 poles I saw were too close to the runway. I have never seen anything that close to a runway approach in my short pilot career. I have landed at 9 airports so far.
The place survived for 44 years without those 3 lights since they just got 2 or them last year in 2016. So it is not like making them remove 3 lights are going to run them out of business. IMO I agree.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
[Re: theraif]
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03/21/17 12:34 AM
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Sounds like a plan, buy it and shut it down. That will take care of the problem. While at Pomona last month for the Winter Nationals I noticed that there was a air port at the end of the track on the west side. It was very busy with small planes. Maybe that is why there no lighting at the track. Speakers were in boxes on the ground also, they sucked big time.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
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03/21/17 01:13 AM
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The place survived for 44 years without those 3 lights since they just got 2 or them last year in 2016. So it is not like making them remove 3 lights are going to run them out of business. IMO
Oh No, Those three lights, made the track what it is. Track is now doomed. Alternative, lower those 3 light poles from 60' to 10' or 15', no big deal IMO Other then that, looks like a Ego power struggle issue..
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
[Re: rowin4]
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03/21/17 12:13 PM
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Sounds like a plan, buy it and shut it down. That will take care of the problem. While at Pomona last month for the Winter Nationals I noticed that there was a air port at the end of the track on the west side. It was very busy with small planes. Maybe that is why there no lighting at the track. Speakers were in boxes on the ground also, they sucked big time. First off I bet it is not cheap or even possible to buy an airport and then try to shut it down! I bet plenty of drivers/owners get to the drag strip via the airport. And think about how many parts have been flown into the drag strip on big race weekends via the airport. Pretty handy to have it so close by. It might be a little too close though.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
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03/21/17 12:22 PM
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I have been going to Norwalk for to many years to count but this battle didn't just start over a few light poles. This battle has been going on for many years and will probably go on for many more. The Baders are land-locked now and the next direction they desire to go is through the airport. I really don't think they would pull up stakes and leave but if they did the economy in the area WOULD take a hit. Racers spend a lot of money while in the area.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
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03/21/17 01:36 PM
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There was no permit or surveying done when the lights went up? No ordinances to follow?
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
[Re: Spaceman Spiff]
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03/21/17 01:59 PM
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There was no permit or surveying done when the lights went up? No ordinances to follow? Kinda what I was thinking too. The FAA is pretty strict on what goes on around airports. Small airports can be a PITA.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
[Re: theraif]
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03/21/17 02:34 PM
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Like John already said, this battle has gone on for many years and it stems from way more than just those 3 light poles.
Being land-locked has been the biggest problem.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
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03/21/17 03:49 PM
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Sounds like a plan, buy it and shut it down. That will take care of the problem. While at Pomona last month for the Winter Nationals I noticed that there was a air port at the end of the track on the west side. It was very busy with small planes. Maybe that is why there no lighting at the track. Speakers were in boxes on the ground also, they sucked big time. First off I bet it is not cheap or even possible to buy an airport and then try to shut it down! I bet plenty of drivers/owners get to the drag strip via the airport. And think about how many parts have been flown into the drag strip on big race weekends via the airport. Pretty handy to have it so close by. It might be a little too close though. AOPA will fight shuttering any airport tooth and nail!
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
[Re: Spaceman Spiff]
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03/22/17 12:07 AM
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There was no permit or surveying done when the lights went up? No ordinances to follow? From what I understand, the poles have been up for 20 years. The lights haven't.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
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03/22/17 12:41 AM
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This happens all the time. Local governments don't consult the FAA when they give out building permits or change zoning laws, so somebody puts up a light pole, or builds a shopping center right off the end of a runway, only later does the FAA get involved after it's too late. The really bad thing here is that the two entities involved, a RACE TRACK, and a small AIRPORT are an endangered species. After looking at it on satellite , the pole is back behind the tree line that parallels the runway, so it shouldn't be a problem. BUT, on the other have I taken a Piper Cub down to about 30 feet over a dirt track, and raced around with the cars during a race, so maybe somebody might try to land on the drag strip, it sure looks like a nicer runway.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
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03/22/17 01:03 AM
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This happens all the time. Local governments don't consult the FAA when they give out building permits or change zoning laws, so somebody puts up a light pole, or builds a shopping center right off the end of a runway, only later does the FAA get involved after it's too late. The really bad thing here is that the two entities involved, a RACE TRACK, and a small AIRPORT are an endangered species. After looking at it on satellite , the pole is back behind the tree line that parallels the runway, so it shouldn't be a problem. BUT, on the other have I taken a Piper Cub down to about 30 feet over a dirt track, and raced around with the cars during a race, so maybe somebody might try to land on the drag strip, it sure looks like a nicer runway. I don't think it is wise to publicize that you were flying around a track with the race cars.
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Re: Summit Motorsports Park Seeks Alternative On Light Pole
[Re: 71birdJ68]
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03/22/17 01:23 AM
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Nobody knows me, I'm the phantom flier, besides, the statute of limitations has run out. LOL... years ago I was with a buddy... he didnt have a pilots license but he could taxi... we took off and he flew under a international bridge (no name here) and we ended up landing.. the FAA was all over his butt.. but nothing happened because he didnt have a license.. other than to taxi(AP license)
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