Re: 1-7/8 or 2 inch headers for 500cid stroker?
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buy this software http://maxracesoftware.com/pipemax36xp2.htmI have used it for years when building headers, it will calculate best tube diameter and length for any combination, also will calculate two or three step tube combinations. If you put good numbers into it the results are as good as you can get. It also has an engine dyno program and much other info as well.
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Re: 1-7/8 or 2 inch headers for 500cid stroker?
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If your 600+ HP, then 2" would be better for performance.
The mild 505" stroker (Maybe 550 HP?) in the convertible uses the TTI 1-7/8" headers just because 2" headers can be a pain for fitment and burning up plug wires. Also, because it is a street car, I am just running dual 2-1/2" exhaust pipes.
The 500" stroker (700+ HP) in the Charger has the 2" Hooker Super Comp headers, and I don't really like how they fit. Originally I ran dual 3-1/2" exhaust, with race mufflers, but it was way too loud on the street. Went to the TTI 3" exhaust and I have been happy with it.
I haven't used the TTI 2" step headers, but I have been thinking of getting some to replace the Hooker headers.
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Re: 1-7/8 or 2 inch headers for 500cid stroker?
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03/11/17 04:53 PM
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On my 383, 1-7/8" headers made 13hp more than 1-3/4" headers, peak to peak........ But in the upper rpm ranges there was about 20hp difference.
TQ was almost exactly the same between the two, the bigger tubes just allowed the numbers to hang on better up top.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: 1-7/8 or 2 inch headers for 500cid stroker?
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On my 383, 1-7/8" headers made 13hp more than 1-3/4" headers, peak to peak........ But in the upper rpm ranges there was about 20hp difference.
Do you mean that the the hp difference became larger after peak hp?
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Re: 1-7/8 or 2 inch headers for 500cid stroker?
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I would go with 2" myself. There may be a slight trade off with the low end grunt, but the 2" header up top should make more power. If nothing else, if you decide to make changes down the road, the 2" will give you room to grow. That being said, if I already had the 1 7/8, I would be completely fine with running them with that combo.
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Re: 1-7/8 or 2 inch headers for 500cid stroker?
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We seem to race dynos a lot on this forum, but not much discussion on the other dyno details that matter more than peak power. Carrying the power like that matters a bunch in a car if you are shifting up there. Higher rpm shift recovery and a lot more area under the curve. I think part of the "problem" some people have, when they are racing dynos is....... They often don't have the correct equipment/set up in the car to exploit the combo they ended up with while they were chasing numbers on the dyno. I've had pretty good success in coming up with a set up for the car that will compliment the power output and horsepower curve I got from the motor on the dyno. You just have to get everything "on the same page". The OP's motor will easily be solidly over 600hp..... Probably more like 650hp. With 505 cubes and an induction system that will support a hp peak at over 6000rpm, I think the 2" header is the right choice......... Unless the plans are for a stock 12" converter and 2.94 gears to go behind the motor....... In which case several other aspects of the build wouldn't be right either. The numbers from the 542 I referenced earlier; 1-7/8 x 3.5 hooker fenderwells- 673.3 @ 4500 TQ 678.0 @ 5900 HP 648.0 @ 6500 HP 2 - 2-1/8 x 4 dyno headers- 677.2 @ 4500 TQ 717.7 @ 6000 HP 702.8 @ 6500 HP
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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