Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Both Chargers that didn't stop straight had disc brakes on the front. Really? Gee, I thought the cure for front drums was rear discs I would hope you would be smart enough not to put rear discs on a front drum car, but I am beginning to wonder. Bit of advice, find yourself in a hole quit digging.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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[quote=Spaceman Spiff] sure drums stop fine.... as long as everyone around you has them too. Your forgetting the fact that properly sized and maintained drums actually work better. Because they self energize. It's repeated use or poor maintenance that is the difference. Discs. need little to no maintenance per se and are cheaper to build. This is why they are so prevalent today. Is it worth the trouble or the expense? Well that is a matter of opinion. This thread has shown you what opinions are good for.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Both Chargers that didn't stop straight had disc brakes on the front. Too many other factors to blame it on not having rear disc brakes. This was what the OP was wondering.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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I clearly stated atleast five times they are better,just saying!
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Both Chargers that didn't stop straight had disc brakes on the front. Too many other factors to blame it on not having rear disc brakes. This was what the OP was wondering. I said there was significant improvement in the stopping distance and the straightness in which the 71 Charger R/T braked after the SSBC rear disc brake kit was installed and adjusted.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Both Chargers that didn't stop straight had disc brakes on the front. Really? Gee, I thought the cure for front drums was rear discs I would hope you would be smart enough not to put rear discs on a front drum car, but I am beginning to wonder. Bit of advice, find yourself in a hole quit digging. I stated that I saw with my own eyes,and personally experienced that two Chargers with disc brakes in front and drum brakes in the rear did not brake straight,and did not stop in a short enough distance. In the case of my own car,the rear brakes appeared to lock up about the same time,and left approximately the same amount of rubber on the road. The question by the OP was are rear disc brakes a good upgrade and are they worth it. I was stating that the Chargers were not four wheel drum brake equipped cars,I'm sorry if I really have to break that down for you!
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Both Chargers that didn't stop straight had disc brakes on the front. Were they both red, because that will make them pull to the right. Seriously,typical thread with opinions, or a tinge of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias To repeat, the OP asked " Is it worth It?" Not "are they better?" I rest my case. "...worth it..." Hmmm...depnds on what you mean "worth"? "Worth" used as a noun? or adjective? or preposition? or even an intransitive verb? (archaic, you can rule the last one out). Worth to whom? Me? No. I don't race on the street or track, and I don't speed or follow too close or engage in other forms of reckless driving. If a bus full of nuns pulls out in front of me without warning, best I can do is steer to miss 'em or hit the least bad obstacle, or probably just stand on the brakes. In my (drum brakes) cars, that will lock 'em up. What more could I do? Posts like this are fun, cuz bring out all kinds anecdotes, conjectures, opinions, ridicules, "bad mouthing" and spirited discussion of all kinds. For me to give the OP an opinion re his question, I'd have to know why he's even considering the modification and his financial circumstance. Basically, what is he buying and how much can he afford to pay.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Both Chargers that didn't stop straight had disc brakes on the front. Were they both red, because that will make them pull to the right. Seriously,typical thread with opinions, or a tinge of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias To repeat, the OP asked " Is it worth It?" Not "are they better?" I rest my case. "...worth it..." Hmmm...depnds on what you mean "worth"? "Worth" used as a noun? or adjective? or preposition? or even an intransitive verb? (archaic, you can rule the last one out). Worth to whom? Me? No. I don't race on the street or track, and I don't speed or follow too close or engage in other forms of reckless driving. If a bus full of nuns pulls out in front of me without warning, best I can do is steer to miss 'em or hit the least bad obstacle, or probably just stand on the brakes. In my (drum brakes) cars, that will lock 'em up. What more could I do? Posts like this are fun, cuz bring out all kinds anecdotes, conjectures, opinions, ridicules, "bad mouthing" and spirited discussion of all kinds. For me to give the OP an opinion re his question, I'd have to know why he's even considering the modification and his financial circumstance. Basically, what is he buying and how much can he afford to pay. or just review the second post of this thread.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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For me it cost a lot more money to put a nose on a 70 Charger R/T than it does to buy a disc brake up grade kit. Just go watch some of the original roadtests of these cars that Bud Linderman did on Road and Track. I saw one on a 71 383 4 speed Challenger that the car went completely sideways under hard braking just like my friends Charger did.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Interesting conversion and good opinions for and against. Since the car I am building still has the original drum brakes, shoes (whats left of them) hardware etc everything will need to be replaced either way. I plan to drive this car a lot, and live around roads fun for spirited driving. I think since I have to spend a lot of money either way I will try rear disc on this car and keep the drums on the other one (all new system with NOS shoes, drums, hardware etc. (Plus I have several boxes of NOS shoes to support that car for a couple of centuries, plus another set of NOS drums)). I really dont mind the expense of the rear set-up, its a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the build, I just didn't want to waste the time if no advantage is gained or even worse perforance (junky aftermarket systems etc). I appreciate the pros and cons on both sides, lots of great information on this site.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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For me it cost a lot more money to put a nose on a 70 Charger R/T than it does to buy a disc brake up grade kit. Just go watch some of the original roadtests of these cars that Bud Linderman did on Road and Track. I saw one on a 71 383 4 speed Challenger that the car went completely sideways under hard braking just like my friends Charger did. I was on my way to a Mopar show,and a friend of mine was following me to the show in his 71 Charger R/T. Some dope pulled right out in front of me and I had to lock up my brakes. I heard my friend lock up his brakes,and looked in my side mirror hoping he wouldn't hit me. Instead of him hitting me,his car was completely sideways in the road. After that incident he installed a rear disc brake kit from SSBC,and the car stopped straight and in a lot shorter distance than it did before. The reason the cars went sideways is because the rear wheels locked up. That is because they had too much rear brake. The rear disc kits solve your problem by either being less powerful or they use a proportioning valve to adjust bias. Kevin
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Heck I think 4 wheel disc is worth it just because I hate working on drum brakes. I've never owned rear disc brakes, not even on my 9 second cars, but I sure do want them for my Duster.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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The good rear disc brake kits have working emergency brakes.
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Who makes the best kits for Mopars. Do you want to retain the factory axle adjustment, or go with Green Style bearings and eliminate the adjustment? DrDiff IIRC has the only kit on the market that retains the factory adjuster, utilizes Cobra components I personally have used several rear SSBC rear disc set up on 8 3/4 and DANA 60 axles, 15" rims are the minimum for clearance, you retain a parking brake, Green Bearings are required, utilizes Cobra components either kit will work depending on what you desire, just be sure to research or ask questions to avoid any pitfalls when installing any mfg's kit
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Re: Four Wheel Disc Brakes-Is it worth It??
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Who makes the best kits for Mopars. Do you want to retain the factory axle adjustment, or go with Green Style bearings and eliminate the adjustment? DrDiff IIRC has the only kit on the market that retains the factory adjuster, utilizes Cobra components I personally have used several rear SSBC rear disc set up on 8 3/4 and DANA 60 axles, 15" rims are the minimum for clearance, you retain a parking brake, Green Bearings are required, utilizes Cobra components either kit will work depending on what you desire, just be sure to research or ask questions to avoid any pitfalls when installing any mfg's kit Thanks. I already have the Green Bearings for the car and plan to install them when I remove and restore the rear end. I plan to run 15" wheels on the car too. If the SSBC has a good system I will consider it, the front I installed from them appears to be nice quality, easy assembly.
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