SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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Ok folks, the SE tail panel is wider on the right side than it is on the left side, and as you can see, the right side sticks out past the end of the body. [img] http://s771.photobucket.com/user/1Zeke7/media/SE%20tail%20panel.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0[/img] I paid a small fortune for the SE tail panel and am wondering if any of you have experienced something similar or have some ideas as to how the right end can be "reshaped" without destroying the anodized aluminum? The left panel is the left side, the middle panel is the right side and the right panel is the right side but looking from front to back. Thanks [img][/img]
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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If it were me, I would check the gaps between the SE panel and the trunk lid trim. Proper gaps here, indicates quarters too close (as Dayclona stated above) . How are the trunk lid side to quarter top gaps? If the body panel gaps are correct, measure distance between SE panel ends (where they meet trunk lid trim) and compare to known good fitting panel?? Just my .02
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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Well the panel you received is not the one removed from your car, mistake #1, no telling what condition it was in when "restored", the new panel obviously wasn't trial fitted to the car during the initial restoration process,mistake#2 hope that your qtrs stayed in their "stock" position when the rear was reworked, otherwise no SE panel is going to fit, if there's the chance you can test fit the panel to another "stock" Challenger to see if it's either the SE panel or that your qtrs moved during reassembly, if you can confirm the same problem on an other stock/unmolested Challenger, then you should be on the horn to the individual that refurbished that SE panel, if it's the body work on your vehicle then you have issues to take up with your bodyman, I hope other items where check fitted during the restoration? How's the trunk side gaps in relation to the qtrs?, on avg it should be about 3/16"-1/4"
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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Can't see the pictures through your link. Says I need password to open. ...
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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I have a 70 Western Sport Special Challenger, original paint, SE trim package. Mine is a bit "gappy" on the right as well,,,not sure if that means anything,,,but it is something i have noticed. Gap is not as noticeable as what you picture on your car.
Biggest problem i have had with the SE trim restoration is finding the clips/hardware to attach the panel...( R/T specialites doesnt have it as well ) Good luck Doug
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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How do body shops put these things together without checking trim and other panels for fit?
I couldn't agree more
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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How do body shops put these things together without checking trim and other panels for fit?
That's the difference in finding a shop that knows what it's doing, I usually make the customer a bit perturbed on my constant requests for trim, glass, emblems, panels, etc, etc that I want to test fit, that will be used or changed out during the restoration build, I put enough effort into building, bodyworking, blocking for weeks on end on primer, paint, colorsanding clearcoats, that the last thing I need is panels/components, trim,glass or emblems that don't fit, plus having to modify or redo work already done! Mike
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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I have a 70 Western Sport Special Challenger, original paint, SE trim package. Mine is a bit "gappy" on the right as well,,,not sure if that means anything,,,but it is something i have noticed. Gap is not as noticeable as what you picture on your car.
Biggest problem i have had with the SE trim restoration is finding the clips/hardware to attach the panel...( R/T specialites doesnt have it as well ) Good luck Doug I got my clips and fasteners from R/T Specialties a few years back. They must not carry them anymore.
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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How do body shops put these things together without checking trim and other panels for fit?
That's the difference in finding a shop that knows what it's doing, I usually make the customer a bit perturbed on my constant requests for trim, glass, emblems, panels, etc, etc that I want to test fit, that will be used or changed out during the restoration build, I put enough effort into building, bodyworking, blocking for weeks on end on primer, paint, colorsanding clearcoats, that the last thing I need is panels/components, trim,glass or emblems that don't fit, plus having to modify or redo work already done! Mike Mike, Sorry but if your customers are perturbed by that they must be idiots. I checked everything on my car before it went to paint. I just don't understand not doing this. Thanks Chris
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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How do body shops put these things together without checking trim and other panels for fit?
That's the difference in finding a shop that knows what it's doing, I usually make the customer a bit perturbed on my constant requests for trim, glass, emblems, panels, etc, etc that I want to test fit, that will be used or changed out during the restoration build, I put enough effort into building, bodyworking, blocking for weeks on end on primer, paint, colorsanding clearcoats, that the last thing I need is panels/components, trim,glass or emblems that don't fit, plus having to modify or redo work already done! Mike Mike, Sorry but if your customers are perturbed by that they must be idiots. I checked everything on my car before it went to paint. I just don't understand not doing this. Thanks Chris Most customers have no clue when it comes to a restoration, they'll ship a car around the country from one vendor to another, with no clue as to what should have been done initially, a vehicle will arrive with a painted engine compartment, an a detailed driveline installed, or a new interior installed, yet they want qtrs cut off and replaced, along with other major body/paint bodywork... Tell the customer to include any trim/glass or panels that are going to be installed to ship them with the car, you usually get "why?", then you have to explain the reason "why", is to assure that these parts will fit after body/paint, of course the car shows up without the part(s), you contact the customer, only to hear, "it'll be all right, I'm sure the parts will fit"...you know what happens later, basically what this thread is about I've experienced all the vendor/bodyshop horror stories from the proprietors end over the decades, one of the reasons you learn everything from A to Z when it comes to restoring a vehicle Mike
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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Most customers have no clue when it comes to a restoration, they'll ship a car around the country from one vendor to another, with no clue as to what should have been done initially, a vehicle will arrive with a painted engine compartment, an a detailed driveline installed, or a new interior installed, yet they want qtrs cut off and replaced, along with other major body/paint bodywork...
Tell the customer to include any trim/glass or panels that are going to be installed to ship them with the car, you usually get "why?", then you have to explain the reason "why", is to assure that these parts will fit after body/paint, of course the car shows up without the part(s), you contact the customer, only to hear, "it'll be all right, I'm sure the parts will fit"...you know what happens later, basically what this thread is about
I've experienced all the vendor/bodyshop horror stories from the proprietors end over the decades, one of the reasons you learn everything from A to Z when it comes to restoring a vehicle
Mike I've been lucky with the few customers I've taken on. If they are that clueless I'd rather send them packing. I don't need the money or the headache. M426
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Re: SE tail panel on 1970 Challenger RT/SE - PLEASE HELP!
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Most customers have no clue when it comes to a restoration, they'll ship a car around the country from one vendor to another, with no clue as to what should have been done initially, a vehicle will arrive with a painted engine compartment, an a detailed driveline installed, or a new interior installed, yet they want qtrs cut off and replaced, along with other major body/paint bodywork...
Tell the customer to include any trim/glass or panels that are going to be installed to ship them with the car, you usually get "why?", then you have to explain the reason "why", is to assure that these parts will fit after body/paint, of course the car shows up without the part(s), you contact the customer, only to hear, "it'll be all right, I'm sure the parts will fit"...you know what happens later, basically what this thread is about
I've experienced all the vendor/bodyshop horror stories from the proprietors end over the decades, one of the reasons you learn everything from A to Z when it comes to restoring a vehicle
Mike I've been lucky with the few customers I've taken on. If they are that clueless I'd rather send them packing. I don't need the money or the headache. M426 We all know the "mopar" crowd is rather eccentric to begin with, I deal mostly with the "wingcar"(wingers) crowd, they're the real "fruits" of the bunch
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