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Re: degreeing cam [Re: junkyardmaxie] #2253590
02/14/17 04:16 PM
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What made the whole concept easy for me to think about, was that when you're trying to find the center point of something that is circular, you have to read an equal point on both sides of the curve and do the math to find the center.

Re: degreeing cam [Re: 70Cuda383] #2253684
02/14/17 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted By 70Cuda383
Originally Posted By RapidRobert
Agreed, I would definitely degree it then you will know if you are good & you will know how to do it in the future. it takes a bit of reading to catch on to how it works but once you grasp it it is simple (it is when the intake lobe reaches max lift, how many degrees is that exact point past TDC) IE 106 degrees and if that lobe peakes earlier such as only 102 degrees past TDC then the cam is advanced as it is peaking earlier.


And the reason it gets confusing when reading how to do it, is because the whole 'use a piston stop, spin one way, note the degree, spin backwards the other way, note the degree, subtract the 2, divide by 2, move gear wheel that far' process and conversely before max lift, past max lift is because of dwell times where the piston sits at TDC for a degree or 2 of crank rotation, and how the valve hangs at max lift for a few degrees, and you're trying to find the exact point in the middle

It's confusing to read the steps but once you start doing it, it just clicks and makes sense


Plus you can verify the timing marks on the balancer are correct. 2 birds/1 stone!

Re: degreeing cam [Re: junkyardmaxie] #2253752
02/14/17 10:47 PM
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1) Millions of cams have been installed without degreeing.
2) Degreeing a cam does not make it the right or best installed position, it just makes it a known position. If you don't plan on going back into the motor and changing the cam position, arguably there is no need to degree it. Degreeing it does not mean it will run better.

What you do get is knowing that the machining (that effects cam timing) of the cam/both gears, and crank are correct. You can make adjustments to install it per the manufactures recommendation, if that matters to you and, what I think is honestly the best reason for a typical guy to degree his cam is that if there are problems with how the motor runs, you will know that cam timing is not the problem.

Re: degreeing cam [Re: BSB67] #2253796
02/14/17 11:55 PM
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I disagree with the motor won't run better with the cam degreed in tsk It will, every Mopar V8 I have tested on the dyno and at the track, run worst if it is retarded at all shruggy


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Re: degreeing cam [Re: Cab_Burge] #2253854
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I disagree with the motor won't run better with the cam degreed in tsk It will, every Mopar V8 I have tested on the dyno and at the track, run worst if it is retarded at all shruggy


That is what you have found. That is not what I have found. Nor is it what everyone has found.

Re: degreeing cam [Re: junkyardmaxie] #2253905
02/15/17 02:51 AM
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Back in the late '70s when I degreed my first cams, I think the first three I did were advanced if you lined up the dots. I even had a more experienced person check my work on the first one 'cause it was advanced 5 degrees out of the box! After several more cams were also found to be advanced (one a pontiac) my friends and I came up with a theory.
Since most beginning rodders are tempted to pick too big a cam for a street car, we decided the manufactures were grinding them advanced on purposed so the car would run ok and the owner would be happy! I think they figure that experienced rodders/racers would buy the correct cam and then DEGREE it!
That first cam was a Cam Dynamics that I put in a '72 340, it sounded very nasty, after being retarded 5 degrees, I wish I had just lined up the dots on that one!

Re: degreeing cam [Re: junkyardmaxie] #2253909
02/15/17 03:01 AM
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Always degree, you'll know for sure were it is and most important it verifies the timing cover and damper are correct for TDC. my .02$

Re: degreeing cam [Re: junkyardmaxie] #2253941
02/15/17 09:55 AM
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Degreeing the cam on the #1 cylinder is only part of the story. As long as you are that far along, it would be a real good idea to check #8 and compare it for "Twist". I have heard of some cams being off as much as 6 degrees front to back. Good luck trying to find a performance problem on that after the engine is assembled.


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Re: degreeing cam [Re: sgcuda] #2254052
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I always check the LSA on #1 and #6 to make sure the cam is ground correctly, I have had one early hemi cam that was FUBAR by Sig Erson shruggy Very frustrating work You don't know what you don't know work
I've also had more than one Mopar LA engine cam have the exhaust lobes ground wrong on the duration at .050 and the LSA runaway


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Re: degreeing cam [Re: sgcuda] #2254055
02/15/17 03:32 PM
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On the first roller I put in my 340 I lined
up the dots to start with and was gonna check
it.. I TRIED to roll the crank over and it
stopped dead... after checking things out I
found the key way on the cam was 23* off.. the
lobes were right so I degreed it in and was fine
so I always degree them in.. and I advance them
if I want to lower the torque rpm curve IF I dont
need the upper rpm level.. on a street car you can
use the lower torque rpm since you rarely use the
high rpm
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