Re: degreeing cam
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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02/14/17 08:05 PM
02/14/17 08:05 PM
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Agreed, I would definitely degree it then you will know if you are good & you will know how to do it in the future. it takes a bit of reading to catch on to how it works but once you grasp it it is simple (it is when the intake lobe reaches max lift, how many degrees is that exact point past TDC) IE 106 degrees and if that lobe peakes earlier such as only 102 degrees past TDC then the cam is advanced as it is peaking earlier. And the reason it gets confusing when reading how to do it, is because the whole 'use a piston stop, spin one way, note the degree, spin backwards the other way, note the degree, subtract the 2, divide by 2, move gear wheel that far' process and conversely before max lift, past max lift is because of dwell times where the piston sits at TDC for a degree or 2 of crank rotation, and how the valve hangs at max lift for a few degrees, and you're trying to find the exact point in the middle It's confusing to read the steps but once you start doing it, it just clicks and makes sense Plus you can verify the timing marks on the balancer are correct. 2 birds/1 stone!
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Re: degreeing cam
[Re: junkyardmaxie]
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02/14/17 10:47 PM
02/14/17 10:47 PM
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1) Millions of cams have been installed without degreeing. 2) Degreeing a cam does not make it the right or best installed position, it just makes it a known position. If you don't plan on going back into the motor and changing the cam position, arguably there is no need to degree it. Degreeing it does not mean it will run better.
What you do get is knowing that the machining (that effects cam timing) of the cam/both gears, and crank are correct. You can make adjustments to install it per the manufactures recommendation, if that matters to you and, what I think is honestly the best reason for a typical guy to degree his cam is that if there are problems with how the motor runs, you will know that cam timing is not the problem.
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Re: degreeing cam
[Re: junkyardmaxie]
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02/15/17 09:55 AM
02/15/17 09:55 AM
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Degreeing the cam on the #1 cylinder is only part of the story. As long as you are that far along, it would be a real good idea to check #8 and compare it for "Twist". I have heard of some cams being off as much as 6 degrees front to back. Good luck trying to find a performance problem on that after the engine is assembled.
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Re: degreeing cam
[Re: sgcuda]
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02/15/17 03:26 PM
02/15/17 03:26 PM
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I always check the LSA on #1 and #6 to make sure the cam is ground correctly, I have had one early hemi cam that was FUBAR by Sig Erson ![shruggy shruggy](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/shruggy.gif) Very frustrating ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif) You don't know what you don't know I've also had more than one Mopar LA engine cam have the exhaust lobes ground wrong on the duration at .050 and the LSA ![runaway runaway](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/runaway.gif)
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Re: degreeing cam
[Re: sgcuda]
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02/15/17 03:32 PM
02/15/17 03:32 PM
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On the first roller I put in my 340 I lined up the dots to start with and was gonna check it.. I TRIED to roll the crank over and it stopped dead... after checking things out I found the key way on the cam was 23* off.. the lobes were right so I degreed it in and was fine so I always degree them in.. and I advance them if I want to lower the torque rpm curve IF I dont need the upper rpm level.. on a street car you can use the lower torque rpm since you rarely use the high rpm ![wave wave](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/wave.gif)
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