Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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This is what I used in the past. Those were the kind of clamps I was referring to. If they were hitting your gas tank, were they just to wide. Were the bolts right up against the spring? You can grind and shape them for clearance. But you do want the dimensions of the clamp to be tight, so the bolts are right next to the spring as they pass through the clamp. Another option, as I did. I bolted the front section of the passenger side spring. As in, drill holes through the leaves on the front section of passenger side. Clamps only on the driver side. Yes they fit tight Mike, just needed trimmed or rounded off. But I didn't use them once I bought SS springs for that car. My current car has tailpipes so I'm sure everything will fit tight. On the passenger side I like the idea of drilling and bolting if the clamps won't fit but I'll try the clamps first. You can't just drill holes in the springs and bolt them together. Why? Because they are arched and bolted in the middle. When you de-arch them, but putting the car on the ground, the ends of the leafs move. So you CAN drill holes, but you have to have the spring compressed the same as it will be on the car when you drill the holes. AND it's spring steel. Damn hard to drill Damn Hard to drill yes. Only did the passenger side. Makes the Front segment close to Solid. Just like you say that's needed, {need to make the front segment as solid as possible}. It works. And yes, you don't drill the spring unless its compressed as the same as it will be on the car with it weighted down. Basically by bolting the spring, it comes close to achieving the same thing as a traction bar/south side machine bar/etc. Bolting the front spring segment together is Less stiffer then the above. I did not bolt the driver side together, no need. As far as shocks, I use a air shock on passenger side with the stock suspension. The more PSI, the better the 60 ft. On the Flimsy stock suspension the passenger side of the axel trys to rotate Up, causing loss of traction the Fix More PSI in the passenger side air shock.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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Thanks for the video. How much preload did the bars have? Not sure, they're just videos that I found on youtube.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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You should be able to post a wanted ad for a set of 002-003 springs with everyone switching over to caltracs. I went 9.80's in my Duster 35 years ago with them and track prep was nothing compared to what it is today. I'd rather find someone that's switching to a 4 link and selling their caltrac system cheap.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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You should be able to post a wanted ad for a set of 002-003 springs with everyone switching over to caltracs. I went 9.80's in my Duster 35 years ago with them and track prep was nothing compared to what it is today. I'd rather find someone that's switching to a 4 link and selling their caltrac system cheap. Try a free ad on Racing Junk.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
[Re: ProSport]
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Well my setup is very low buck. Stock SS springs I bought from Mancini around 2009. I use the SS springs and just the longer ext MP shocks with no adjustments. And no pinion snubber as I tried it and it made no difference with the SS springs on my car. All other suspension is stock other then the CE 90/10 front shocks. I do feel the 6 point rollbar stiffened my car more then the frame connectors did so I would at least do a 6 point bar and frame connectors if I were you. At this point in my life cash is very tight so I make the best of what I can. Its nothing fantastic at all but for an average driver I drive to the track its does well enough for me to have alot of fun. My best 60 is a 1.50 with this setup at 10.70's as it usually 60's around 1.50 to 1.55 on most tracks. Dont set the world on fire by no means but I do get to race with some NSS clubs and have fun and I even win some rounds now and then. My cars weighs just over 3700 and I use the 30 x 9 Hoosier radial slicks and I also drive on them. I agree with most as get the springs right and good rear shocks and you should be able to hook it ok with a good tire and have alot of fun. Good luck , Ron
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
[Re: Sport440]
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Damn Hard to drill yes. Only did the passenger side. Makes the Front segment close to Solid. Just like you say that's needed, {need to make the front segment as solid as possible}.
It works. And yes, you don't drill the spring unless its compressed as the same as it will be on the car with it weighted down.
Basically by bolting the spring, it comes close to achieving the same thing as a traction bar/south side machine bar/etc. Bolting the front spring segment together is Less stiffer then the above.
I did not bolt the driver side together, no need.
As far as shocks, I use a air shock on passenger side with the stock suspension. The more PSI, the better the 60 ft. On the Flimsy stock suspension the passenger side of the axel trys to rotate Up, causing loss of traction the Fix More PSI in the passenger side air shock.
Do you have any pics of this setup, it sounds interesting. Did you drill the spring with it installed on the car? or off? Does the bolt stay tight?
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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01/09/17 06:41 PM
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I'm at about 540HP
With 3.54 gear @ 3,950, Getting 1.57-1.61 with 3.54
Got 1.63-1.66 with 3.23's in the 8-3/4 @ 4,050 pounds
Nothing broke.
All I have is XHD springs, Snubber, DANA 60 from Doctor Diff and the S-trac. AutoZone gas shocks. No clamps removed or added at all. Front shocks are AutoZone gas replacements.
**Do have a 1-1/8" front sway bar and 7/8" rear sway bar**
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I leave @ idle and the car will just about print off time slips within .02
I've had better success with the Pro Bracket Radial 9x28 on a 15x7............the M/T 3754R works just as good but doesn't last as long
I've used two used sets of 3754R's and they work until the cords show..........same as the PBR
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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Damn Hard to drill yes. Only did the passenger side. Makes the Front segment close to Solid. Just like you say that's needed, {need to make the front segment as solid as possible}.
It works. And yes, you don't drill the spring unless its compressed as the same as it will be on the car with it weighted down.
Basically by bolting the spring, it comes close to achieving the same thing as a traction bar/south side machine bar/etc. Bolting the front spring segment together is Less stiffer then the above.
I did not bolt the driver side together, no need.
As far as shocks, I use a air shock on passenger side with the stock suspension. The more PSI, the better the 60 ft. On the Flimsy stock suspension the passenger side of the axel trys to rotate Up, causing loss of traction the Fix More PSI in the passenger side air shock.
Do you have any pics of this setup, it sounds interesting. Did you drill the spring with it installed on the car? or off? Does the bolt stay tight? The bolts stay tight and are on the front only of the passenger side. Holes were drilled while on the car with the cars own weight. Clamps were used as well on the driver side spring. Can show you pics, if you pm me a cell number. I think I used 3 7/8th bolts tieing in each front segment on pass, side.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
[Re: Tommy D]
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Cool videos. They show what I hoped the Cal Tracs would do. Was the video taken of a 55-57 Chevy? That was a full frame car. Just wondering. '67 F100
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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Cool videos. They show what I hoped the Cal Tracs would do. Was the video taken of a 55-57 Chevy? That was a full frame car. Just wondering. Cal tracs are the better way to go IMO, if you can swing it. As seen in the vid a stock spring setup will have a lot of rotation, even with clamps and such. Your 500 ci, will make sure of that.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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Heres the link to to cheap clamps. It wasn't Speedway, it was E trailor. http://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/TruRyde/TRSL350.htmlThis link shows the 3.5 inch shackle witch can be used as a clamp. You will want the 3.1/8" clamp for a better fit with the A body springs. Add some grade 8 bolts for cheap from your local hardware if you go this route. Cant beat the Price. They look more heavy duty then the Jegs or other clamp you posted.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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Wow that is cheap. Are they thick enough?
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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Thanks guys I've learned a lot on this cold boring Sunday, several good options to look forward to trying. Obviously this is an old school build(even have a purpleshaft cam lol) but it has been a super fun car that does rolling burnouts at 50 mph and does pretty well at car shows. Now I want to make some passes.
Will 30 spline aftermarket axles and spool work for 600hp or less, or am I way better off going with 35 spline?
Here's a pic of the family hot rod. Hey Bob how have you been? Your car is looking great. My 3500 big block dart had 30 spline moser axles and spool. I broke one 8-3/4 gear set but never twisted a axle etc. The dart would only 60FT at 1.48 but at the time I had the wrong converter in the car.
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Re: How to make a stock rear suspension work?
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Thanks guys I've learned a lot on this cold boring Sunday, several good options to look forward to trying. Obviously this is an old school build(even have a purpleshaft cam lol) but it has been a super fun car that does rolling burnouts at 50 mph and does pretty well at car shows. Now I want to make some passes.
Will 30 spline aftermarket axles and spool work for 600hp or less, or am I way better off going with 35 spline?
Here's a pic of the family hot rod. Hey Bob how have you been? Your car is looking great. My 3500 big block dart had 30 spline moser axles and spool. I broke one 8-3/4 gear set but never twisted a axle etc. The dart would only 60FT at 1.48 but at the time I had the wrong converter in the car. Thanks Bobby that's good to hear. Been doing good and keeping busy, hope all is well with you.
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