Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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When Pinks ran at my local track,they made a big deal out of not allowing straight through mufflers.At that time I had a 3.5 system,no H or X but they were long and round Ultra flows ending at the rear axel.So to run at pinks I had Jimi Vignogna fab a 4 inch stainless with an "X" going into 3.5 Hooker Aero chambers because they were advertised as a 3 chamber.When I pulled a muffler OOTB,,,,,,,,,,, Hey Al, do you have any vid of your car idling and running?
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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12/24/16 12:07 AM
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When Pinks ran at my local track,they made a big deal out of not allowing straight through mufflers.At that time I had a 3.5 system,no H or X but they were long and round Ultra flows ending at the rear axel.So to run at pinks I had Jimi Vignogna fab a 4 inch stainless with an "X" going into 3.5 Hooker Aero chambers because they were advertised as a 3 chamber.When I pulled a muffler OOTB,,,,,,,,,,, Hey Al, do you have any vid of your car idling and running? Yep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6CECn9keWU
HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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12/24/16 01:30 AM
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I just had my exhaust welded up. 3" dynomax super turbos with an x-pipe. Other details in video. https://youtu.be/l1kp597JZ8gPicture of Exhaust:
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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12/24/16 05:08 AM
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3"x & Magnaflow straight through 3" mufflers [video:youtube] https://youtu.be/HBMz_mpiptI[/video]
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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3" with Dynomax Ultra Flows here. I started out with 2-1/2" and "reproduction" HEMI mufflers, way too quiet! People used to ask, "does it really have a HEMI?" Well of course it did, 540" 10.78 compression with solid roller! Then I went with 2-1/2" LONG Dynomax UltraFlows. Better, but still to quiet. When I installed the Gear Vendor I had to replace the exhaust that was in the way. I went to TTI 3" with SHORT Dynomax UltraFlows. Now it sounds just right! There is no question that it makes power from the idle sound! Cruising is pleasant and mellow, add throttle and it flat out "talks to you"!
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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Didn't somebody do a test awhile back and they were slipping on muffs and some restrictive ones wouldn't stay on the pipe the pressure blew them off. That being said I had the ultraflows and they rotted inside. I replaced them with flomaster super 44s and saw no diff in st.
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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Below is the decibel chart that you will find on the internet. I referenced this when choosing my Hooker Max Flows. They are deep and mellow at idle but WOT is LOUD! I love the sound of these with an x-pipe and CCE resonators beside the tank. Note: The Max Flows are tied for quietest at idle and tied for loudest at WOT. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sound Off in Quietest to Loudest (Decibels): 1.Borla XS, 80db at idle, 90db at 2,000 rpm, 110db at WOT. 2.Hooker Maxflow, 80db at idle, 90db at 2,000 rpm, 120db at WOT. 3.Magnaflow, 82db at idle, 91 at 2,000 rpm, 114db at WOT. 4.Flowmaster, 82db at idle, 93 at 2,000 rpm, 115db at WOT. 5.Flowtech Warlock, 83db at idle, 92 at 2,000 rpm, 112db at WOT. 6.Dynomax UltraFlo, 83db at idle, 94 at 2,000 rpm, 113db at WOT. 7.Borla XR1, 83db at idle, 96db at 2,000 rpm, 118db at WOT. 8.Bassani Street, 83db at idle, 96db at 2,000 rpm, 120db at WOT. 9.Edelbrock RPM, 84db at idle, 93db at 2,000 rpm, 118db at WOT. 10.Bassani Real Street, 84db at idle, 96db at 2,000 rpm, MAX. (120+db). 11.Flowtech Afterburner, 86db at idle, 94db at 2,000 rpm, 115db at WOT. 12.Flowtech Terminator, 86db at idle, 94db at 2,000 rpm, 119db at WOT. 13.Hooker Aerochamber, 87db at idle, 94db at 2,000 rpm, 114db at WOT. 14.SpinTech, 87db at idle, 97db at 2,000 rpm, 116db at WOT. 15.MAC, 87db at idle, 98db at 2,000 rpm, 119db at WOT. 16.No Muffler, 91db at idle, 103db at 2,000 rpm, MAX. (120+db) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some CFM references. These are smaller than what you are looking at, but a good reference. All tests via an independent lab All tests @ 15” wc 2 “ Straight Pipe 283 CFM 2 ¼ “ Straight Pipe 365 CFM 2 ½ “ Straight Pipe 521 CFM 2 ¼” Typical Bent tailpipe 268 CFM 2 ½” Typical Bent Tailpipe 417 CFM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet_ Glass Pack Tips- No Louvers- Smooth 274 CFM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet- Glass Pack Tips-Louvered 133 CFM Same as above set for reverse flow 141 CFM 2 ¼” Cherry Bomb 239 CFM 2 ½” Cherry Bomb 294 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Dynomax Super Turbo 278 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Ultraflow Bullet 512 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Gibson Superflow 267 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Flowmaster ( 2 Chamber) 249 CFM 2 ½” Inlet Outlet Flowmaster ( 3 Chamber) 229 CFM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet Thrush CVX 260 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Maremount Cherry Bomb 298 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Hooker Aero Chamber 324 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Hooker Max Flow 521 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Borla Turbo 373 CFM 2 1/2" Inlet/Outlet Magnaflow (oval?) 284 CFM (530CFM) Standard OEM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet 138-152 CFM Standard OEM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet 161-197 CFM
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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I tested my exhaust with a DB meter.. checked it at idle and 1500rpm.. with just the Dynomax muff it was 90db and 96db.. with the resonator and the Dynomax(res was before the muff) it was 86db and 93db with a much better note EDIT all readings from 3' away at the back of the car at work we did our noise readings from the side of the car 3' away.. we did drive by test also.. at different rpm and a WOT reading for the drive by
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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https://youtu.be/Uf9PzeTOeNshttps://youtu.be/zDpZk5Jy87U Here's a couple vids I did a few years back when my 408 was still alive. 3" muffs and x over. I didn't know this at the time but Flowmaster told me you do not run crossover/scavenger pipes with scavengers muffs as they both perform the same job. super 44's do sound nice without being annoying IMO.
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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12/24/16 12:24 PM
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Below is the decibel chart that you will find on the internet. I referenced this when choosing my Hooker Max Flows. They are deep and mellow at idle but WOT is LOUD! I love the sound of these with an x-pipe and CCE resonators beside the tank. Note: The Max Flows are tied for quietest at idle and tied for loudest at WOT. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sound Off in Quietest to Loudest (Decibels): 1.Borla XS, 80db at idle, 90db at 2,000 rpm, 110db at WOT. 2.Hooker Maxflow, 80db at idle, 90db at 2,000 rpm, 120db at WOT. 3.Magnaflow, 82db at idle, 91 at 2,000 rpm, 114db at WOT. 4.Flowmaster, 82db at idle, 93 at 2,000 rpm, 115db at WOT. 5.Flowtech Warlock, 83db at idle, 92 at 2,000 rpm, 112db at WOT. 6.Dynomax UltraFlo, 83db at idle, 94 at 2,000 rpm, 113db at WOT. 7.Borla XR1, 83db at idle, 96db at 2,000 rpm, 118db at WOT. 8.Bassani Street, 83db at idle, 96db at 2,000 rpm, 120db at WOT. 9.Edelbrock RPM, 84db at idle, 93db at 2,000 rpm, 118db at WOT. 10.Bassani Real Street, 84db at idle, 96db at 2,000 rpm, MAX. (120+db). 11.Flowtech Afterburner, 86db at idle, 94db at 2,000 rpm, 115db at WOT. 12.Flowtech Terminator, 86db at idle, 94db at 2,000 rpm, 119db at WOT. 13.Hooker Aerochamber, 87db at idle, 94db at 2,000 rpm, 114db at WOT. 14.SpinTech, 87db at idle, 97db at 2,000 rpm, 116db at WOT. 15.MAC, 87db at idle, 98db at 2,000 rpm, 119db at WOT. 16.No Muffler, 91db at idle, 103db at 2,000 rpm, MAX. (120+db) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some CFM references. These are smaller than what you are looking at, but a good reference. All tests via an independent lab All tests @ 15” wc 2 “ Straight Pipe 283 CFM 2 ¼ “ Straight Pipe 365 CFM 2 ½ “ Straight Pipe 521 CFM 2 ¼” Typical Bent tailpipe 268 CFM 2 ½” Typical Bent Tailpipe 417 CFM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet_ Glass Pack Tips- No Louvers- Smooth 274 CFM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet- Glass Pack Tips-Louvered 133 CFM Same as above set for reverse flow 141 CFM 2 ¼” Cherry Bomb 239 CFM 2 ½” Cherry Bomb 294 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Dynomax Super Turbo 278 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Ultraflow Bullet 512 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Gibson Superflow 267 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Flowmaster ( 2 Chamber) 249 CFM 2 ½” Inlet Outlet Flowmaster ( 3 Chamber) 229 CFM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet Thrush CVX 260 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Maremount Cherry Bomb 298 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Hooker Aero Chamber 324 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Hooker Max Flow 521 CFM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Borla Turbo 373 CFM 2 1/2" Inlet/Outlet Magnaflow (oval?) 284 CFM (530CFM) Standard OEM 2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet 138-152 CFM Standard OEM 2 ½” Inlet/Outlet 161-197 CFM Mr P,can you give us an idea as how much a healthy Hemi or wedge would produce in exhaust CFM? I see these specs on flow but have no clue what my combo would emit.
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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12/24/16 12:33 PM
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I have no clue.. when I hired in the hemi was on its way out.. yeah it was still in production but any work was already done on it.. and yours being blown would be different anyways.. I dont even recall the flow on the SB stuff which was all that was in productions then(not counting the 4 bangers)... any of the dyno operators that measure input air flow could tell you EDIT yes the exhaust flow is greater than intake air but there is a formula to figure the expansion of the air at different temps to figure out the output flow
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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I run 3 inch and Summits stainlees mufflers.They sound great not too loud but little restriction.Why people pay big $$$ for a name brand is beyond me.A few members here also ruin them and love them.Rocky
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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I run 3 inch and Summits stainlees mufflers.They sound great not too loud but little restriction.Why people pay big $$$ for a name brand is beyond me.A few members here also ruin them and love them.Rocky I ran them also.. a bit loud for me.. but I didnt know who makes them for Summit so I tried them.. thats the reason I put the electric dumps on the Rampage.. I would rather run a bit more restricted muffs to get it quiet then open the dumps for racing.. I never planned on pulling the exhaust on it so the dumps were my other option.. I'm still not happy with the sound and I will likely move to another set of muffs
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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I've always enjoyed playing around with mufflers, I've had quite a few different exhaust systems over the years but I don't have very many videos. Here's one of my '69 Dart with 3.5" Pypes Race-Pro mufflers, no crossover pipe and no tailpipes. It was loud on the street, but didn't slow the car down at all compared to open headers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uavO9TW7y8U
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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My favorite exhaust was on my DartSport, it was a 3.5" X-pipe with Magnaflow race mufflers and turnouts to the side of the car. Fairly quiet on the street and sounded like high RPM when I hammered it. This car ended up going 9.80's through the exhaust footbraking and the exhaust didn't slow the car down one bit compared to open headers, it actually helped since it was a hundredth quicker and the system easily weighed 75 pounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV55LsXTOfw
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Re: Street and strip muffler recommendations
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My current 500" street Duster has an H-pipe, 3" system, Super turbo mufflers, and 2.5" tailpipes. It's almost too quiet, I'm gonna try some cheap stainless Jones straight-through mufflers soon. I do have electric cutouts on it though. I tried Borla XS street mufflers on this car and they weren't much quieter than open headers.
By the way, I also tried Summit 3" turbo mufflers when I first got this car running 2 years ago and the cases blew apart after only 2 months. Summit gave me my money back and said they've had a lot of those returned damaged.
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