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Re: Build me a 9 inch rear [Re: SpareParts] #2216119
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Originally Posted By SpareParts
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So let's say 3200 lbs A body mono springs with T brake.
Looking at low 8s.
What should I be looking for?
Matt

I'm curious what your combo is if you will share. That's a big goal. Not saying it can't happen or being negative at all, just curious how you're going about it


The current combo , if i'm lucky, will see 9.8 9.9 at 136 mph. LOL
I'm thinking of building a rear once and that would mean I would never see anything faster than low 8.
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the new [feb. '17] issue of hot rod magazine did a comprehensive story on the 9", page #88. might be an interesting read for you guys if interested.
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Originally Posted By MattW
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So let's say 3200 lbs A body mono springs with T brake.
Looking at low 8s.
What should I be looking for?
Matt

I'm curious what your combo is if you will share. That's a big goal. Not saying it can't happen or being negative at all, just curious how you're going about it


The current combo , if i'm lucky, will see 9.8 9.9 at 136 mph. LOL
I'm thinking of building a rear once and that would mean I would never see anything faster than low 8.
Matt

I got ya. I should really do a 9" but wanna get my other car going and the duster has been quick to 60ft and hasn't hurt the 8.75 yet. It has everything in it and car is 3340lbs on radials

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Originally Posted By MattW
So let's say 3200 lbs A body mono springs with T brake.
Looking at low 8s.
What should I be looking for?
Matt
this is what I'm using.. Moser aluminum thru Bolt.. spool and pro gear.. previously I had 31-spline axles.. With the upgrade I went to a 40 spline large gun drilled axle.. with the lighting flange... almost identical weight over a unlightened 31-spline axles...the standard street gear did not hold up very well.. the life expectancy of a rear end...can greatly be shortened by the torque converter... some hit soft and others hit hard. But starting from scratch I would definitely recommend 40 spline and large studs that way you never have to update


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Re: Build me a 9 inch rear [Re: 1967dartgt] #2216336
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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
Oh my a nine inch in your mopar!! That's worse then a powerglide!

LOL, I feel the same way, probably helps with my bias to the Dana but Mother Mopar has used both in the Challenger Drag Pack cars, any of which I would love to have.

Some diehards refer to the rear ends as 8 4/4.

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8 and 4/4, I like that!


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Re: Build me a 9 inch rear [Re: moparx] #2216369
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Originally Posted By moparx
the new [feb. '17] issue of hot rod magazine did a comprehensive story on the 9", page #88. might be an interesting read for you guys if interested.
beer


Thanks
I'll get that issue.

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Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.

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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.


The question is a nodular case or aluminum?
spool or wavetrac posi?
wavetrac limits me to 35 spline.

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Originally Posted By MattW
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Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.


The question is a nodular case or aluminum?
spool or wavetrac posi?
wavetrac limits me to 35 spline.
spool 40 spline gun drill. Aluminum case🖒🖒..we did a back to back test with a 8.3/4.vs9 in a 69 dart that the 8.75 ring and pinion.would only last 100 pass before they would fracture💣💣... the 9-inch was only 400 slower.... the pinion on a 9 inch is much lower enabling the car to Be set up lower... 9in all day any day


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"spool 40 spline gun drill. Aluminum case🖒🖒..we did a back to back test with a 8.3/4.vs9 in a 69 dart that the 8.75 ring and pinion would only last 100 pass before they would fracture💣💣... the 9-inch was only 400 slower.... the pinion on a 9 inch is much lower enabling the car to Be set up lower... 9in all day any day"

In your test, do you mean .04, or .004?

Everybody talks about the 9" in-efficiency, and I read where 3 rear types were compared. But in that comparison an atmospheric change could have easily negated any and all differences.

Has anybody seen/done a torque in/torque out test? I just find it hard to believe this rear is not efficient. I run two of them.

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Originally Posted By MattW
Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.


The question is a nodular case or aluminum?
spool or wavetrac posi?
wavetrac limits me to 35 spline.
In your case I would buy a complete alum center from Strange. There are several options on which case and pinion support. This is not a pro-mod, so you don't need the pro-mod center.

All the Dana "fan boys" want to rail on how expensive a "good" 9" is, so they always quote the price of the MOST expensive setup for the Ford they can find and compare it to a junkyard find Dana.

OK, so lets look at some REAL world pricing. The complete center you need from Strange is about $1400. That's with a spool, standard gear and 1350 yoke. A posi or pro gear is an upgrade price. So now you need axles, brakes and a housing. Axles brakes are the same for any rear, so it boils down to what you will have in housing. You can brace a junkyard housing or buy a fancy sheetmetal and prices will vary greatly..........But how about lets just get in the Strange catalog and see what we see.

The S60 ready to bolt in your Mopar with a 35 spline spool, standard gear and Pro axles is $2100.

They also make a Mopar ready sheetmetal Ford housing with spring pads. That housing with afore mentioned 35 spline alum center, spool, standard gear and 35 spline axles is $2500...........Say what? That can't be right. $400 difference, I read on Moparts that it costs twice as much to build a Ford........LOL!!!

Now, how do I know this pray tell? That would be because I have a catalog, because I am a Strange dealer........LOL!!!

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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
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Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.


The question is a nodular case or aluminum?
spool or wavetrac posi?
wavetrac limits me to 35 spline.
In your case I would buy a complete alum center from Strange. There are several options on which case and pinion support. This is not a pro-mod, so you don't need the pro-mod center.

All the Dana "fan boys" want to rail on how expensive a "good" 9" is, so they always quote the price of the MOST expensive setup for the Ford they can find and compare it to a junkyard find Dana.

OK, so lets look at some REAL world pricing. The complete center you need from Strange is about $1400. That's with a spool, standard gear and 1350 yoke. A posi or pro gear is an upgrade price. So now you need axles, brakes and a housing. Axles brakes are the same for any rear, so it boils down to what you will have in housing. You can brace a junkyard housing or buy a fancy sheetmetal and prices will vary greatly..........But how about lets just get in the Strange catalog and see what we see.

The S60 ready to bolt in your Mopar with a 35 spline spool, standard gear and Pro axles is $2100.

They also make a Mopar ready sheetmetal Ford housing with spring pads. That housing with afore mentioned 35 spline alum center, spool, standard gear and 35 spline axles is $2500...........Say what? That can't be right. $400 difference, I read on Moparts that it costs twice as much to build a Ford........LOL!!!

Now, how do I know this pray tell? That would be because I have a catalog, because I am a Strange dealer........LOL!!!


Wavetrac and shipped to 13683?

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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.


Jesus, they used the 9 inch in trucks too.

The only thing the 9 has going for it is gears. I know several Stock guys who ditched the 9 to get a 12 bolt and went faster with the 12 bolt.

Not everyone is Pro Mod.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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The Strange S-trac is a $500 upgrade.........BUT you said you want to build a rear ONCE and be ready for any power upgrades. That said, I wouldn't run a posi unit. In first post, you said 8 sec, 3200lb car. If that is the goal, I would be building a 40 spline unit in an Ultra case with a pro-gear

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Originally Posted By madscientist
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Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.


Jesus, they used the 9 inch in trucks too.

The only thing the 9 has going for it is gears. I know several Stock guys who ditched the 9 to get a 12 bolt and went faster with the 12 bolt.

Not everyone is Pro Mod.
The ONLY thing is gears?......LOL!!! Ok, whatever you say. A Dana is heavy, the gear selection sucks, serviceability sucks and in a hard leaving car, you can NOT brace the housing to keep it from bending. Can't be done without adding a jungle gym of tubing bracing that may or may not help, but certainly adds to the weight.

Nope, not everything is a pro mod..........but everything damn sure ain't a stocker either. This guy is talking about a low 8 sec 3200lb A-body goal. That's gonna be a pretty damn powerful rig right there. Whether he does it or not is on no importance, that's the goal, so you build for the goal. So in my opinion Dana and damn sure 12 bolt.......never enters the discussion.

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"spool 40 spline gun drill. Aluminum case🖒🖒..we did a back to back test with a 8.3/4.vs9 in a 69 dart that the 8.75 ring and pinion would only last 100 pass before they would fracture💣💣... the 9-inch was only 400 slower.... the pinion on a 9 inch is much lower enabling the car to Be set up lower... 9in all day any day"

In your test, do you mean .04, or .004?

Everybody talks about the 9" in-efficiency, and I read where 3 rear types were compared. But in that comparison an atmospheric change could have easily negated any and all differences.

Has anybody seen/done a torque in/torque out test? I just find it hard to believe this rear is not efficient. I run two of them.
.004 and we think it was mostly the increase in weight not efficient... I think a large gun drilled 40 spline can be lighter than a 35-spline gun drill... check with the company that you are buying from... because of the diameter of the 40 spline axle they can put something like a 1 inch gun drill


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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
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Not a popular thought........but a Dana is a truck rear end. I don't care if it did come in some passenger cars, it was designed for a truck. I don't want a heavy truck rear end under my race car. Plus the 9" has all the aftermarket support in the world.


Jesus, they used the 9 inch in trucks too.

The only thing the 9 has going for it is gears. I know several Stock guys who ditched the 9 to get a 12 bolt and went faster with the 12 bolt.

Not everyone is Pro Mod.
The ONLY thing is gears?......LOL!!! Ok, whatever you say. A Dana is heavy, the gear selection sucks, serviceability sucks and in a hard leaving car, you can NOT brace the housing to keep it from bending. Can't be done without adding a jungle gym of tubing bracing that may or may not help, but certainly adds to the weight.

Nope, not everything is a pro mod..........but everything damn sure ain't a stocker either. This guy is talking about a low 8 sec 3200lb A-body goal. That's gonna be a pretty damn powerful rig right there. Whether he does it or not is on no importance, that's the goal, so you build for the goal. So in my opinion Dana and damn sure 12 bolt.......never enters the discussion.



So when I see a low 8 second guy changing third members I'll buy your [censored]. Guys have been running their mouths for as long as I can remember about how they were going to change just third members so they could have a street gear and a race gear. If it happened they only did it twice. Once to put the race gear in and once more to take it out.

I had customers with 3 or 4 third members laying in the trailer and not one time did I ever hear them say maybe I need a gear change. It isn't done.

You can pound your chest all you want, but the 9 is not the do all be all end all. But you say it so it must be true.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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HERE WE GO!!!! LOL

Lets focus on what "I" want. Its a 9. end of story.
I believe I got the centre section worked out so lets talk about the housing and ends.

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Ok fine............we are NEVER ever gonna change a center again, so why does that need to be easier? But how will we stop that pesky bending the housing thing? Got a brilliant answer to fix that age old problem? And if you say that isn't a real problem either, then there is no need to continue this debate. Lets hope we never need a gear taller than a 4.10 in our 8 sec car either........because there is no such thing

Plus it isn't me that says the 9" is the better race rear........it's likely 80% or better of all the other racers out there. Guess they are all misinformed and full of crap too........who knew?

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