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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2165056
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I get 10.65.

3.43 is what I came up with for your valve reliefs. I think you're getting different results based off what people are calculating for that.

110 CC is 6.71261 CI. The volume of your bore with the piston 1/2 inch down should be 6.50332 CI. The difference of 0.20929 converts back to 3.43 CC for the valve reliefs.

This is a flat top piston I assume?

Aren't you the madscientist? I thought you would have been good at math too grin

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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2165072
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I think along with the rounding errors, depending on how far out you take it after the decimal, is how far out you take pi.

I used:
708.2 swept
12.2 gasket
67.0 head
3.35 piston
-9.4 deck height
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781.35 total
73.15 total minus swept
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10.68 (781.35/73.15)

Depending on the ring down placement and the actual piston diameter above the ring, there's going to be another 1-1.5cc there, so in reality it's more like 10.5-10.55:1.


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: GTX MATT] #2165088
09/30/16 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By GTX MATT
I get 10.65.

3.43 is what I came up with for your valve reliefs. I think you're getting different results based off what people are calculating for that.

110 CC is 6.71261 CI. The volume of your bore with the piston 1/2 inch down should be 6.50332 CI. The difference of 0.20929 converts back to 3.43 CC for the valve reliefs.

This is a flat top piston I assume?

Aren't you the madscientist? I thought you would have been good at math too grin


I ASSumed the 3.32cc valve relief to be correct, however I even got a different result from yours when I calculate the volumes.
Pi*R squared*.500= 106.62cc
110cc-106.62cc=3.38cc making the Comp ratio 10.658:1

But yes, I would expect a scientist to be stellar at math as well

Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: GTS340] #2165093
09/30/16 01:29 PM
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When I do the fill volume check on motors that have a dome above the deck hieght or positive deck hieght piston to figure out the dome volume I use a small needle nose end on my small hand held grease gun to seal the tops of the piston tops to the cylinder walls and I know thier is a small amount above the rings that I don't have filled so like already posted I could add another 1.0 to 2.0 CCfor that, I don't shruggy NHRA doesn't add any more to thier figures so I don't either work


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2165202
09/30/16 05:21 PM
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WRT "the actual piston diameter above the ring"

That's included in the fill volume, but not in the deck height, because it assumes the dome is actual bore size - which is never true.


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2165379
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
I think along with the rounding errors, depending on how far out you take it after the decimal, is how far out you take pi.

I used:
708.2 swept
12.2 gasket
67.0 head
3.35 piston
-9.4 deck height
-----------
781.35 total
73.15 total minus swept
-----------
10.68 (781.35/73.15)

Depending on the ring down placement and the actual piston diameter above the ring, there's going to be another 1-1.5cc there, so in reality it's more like 10.5-10.55:1.



How are you getting 73.15 for a chamber volume?

I get 67 for the chamber, 12.2 for the gasket and approximately 3.5 for the DISH that I am measuring. That would be:
67
12.2
3.5
for a total of 82.7

With a swept volume of 706.3 plus the chamber volume of 82.7 is 789 divided by 82.7 is 9.54


I can do math. Its just this one is pissing me way off.

Its simple math but we are all getting different numbers. Im losing the last bit of my mind thats left.


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2165430
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I always use the CR calculator on Diamond Piston's web site. Pretty much fool-proof... ==> diamondracing.net

Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2165442
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Originally Posted By madscientist
Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
I think along with the rounding errors, depending on how far out you take it after the decimal, is how far out you take pi.

I used:
708.2 swept
12.2 gasket
67.0 head
3.35 piston
-9.4 deck height
-----------
781.35 total
73.15 total minus swept
-----------
10.68 (781.35/73.15)

Depending on the ring down placement and the actual piston diameter above the ring, there's going to be another 1-1.5cc there, so in reality it's more like 10.5-10.55:1.



How are you getting 73.15 for a chamber volume?

I get 67 for the chamber, 12.2 for the gasket and approximately 3.5 for the DISH that I am measuring. That would be:
67
12.2
3.5
for a total of 82.7

With a swept volume of 706.3 plus the chamber volume of 82.7 is 789 divided by 82.7 is 9.54


I can do math. Its just this one is pissing me way off.

Its simple math but we are all getting different numbers. Im losing the last bit of my mind thats left.

Tim, the 10.65 is a good number. You are forgetting that the positive deck is reducing your chamber volume.


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2165443
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How are you getting 73.15 for a chamber volume?


It doesn't say that's the chamber volume....... It's the total volume minus the swept volume.


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2165822
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Maybe he's at a higher altitude...

Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2167353
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SPECIAL THANKS to Mike at B3 racing engines. I called him on the phone and he held my hand and walked me through my math mistake.

Porter has his numbers correct. Later tonight I will re-calculate the CR on this project out to the 3rd digit and then I'll be good to go.

It will be close to 10.5:1 or so.

Gotta remember to calculate the flat that comes out of the bore. That's where DP got the extra 9 cc's that I was missing.

Thanks to all that posted and especially Mike.


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2167473
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Originally Posted By madscientist
SPECIAL THANKS to Mike at B3 racing engines. I called him on the phone and he held my hand and walked me through my math mistake.

What do you do for a living?

Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: BradH] #2167792
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Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By madscientist
SPECIAL THANKS to Mike at B3 racing engines. I called him on the phone and he held my hand and walked me through my math mistake.

What do you do for a living?



Retired machinist, weldor and gunsmith. I still do some of all of it when I want to or need to.


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2167930
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Fix that carb yet............ biggrin


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Re: Can some one do some math for me?????? [Re: madscientist] #2167936
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Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Fix that carb yet............ biggrin



Sheeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiitt!!!

I'm slow as hell. It runs but don't drive yet. Front shocks will be here late this week. I'll get it lined up next week.

What a PITA.


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