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Re: paint job on a budget!? *DELETED* [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #21570
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Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: FuryUs] #21571
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Ok I was bored tonight so I ran down to Home Depot and picked up a quart of Rustoleum 7747 Sunburst yellow paint. Also got a quart of mineral spirits and the high density foam rollers. or giggles I also got a spray can of the same paint. I swear that color looks a lot like a cross between Viper Yellow and FY 1.

Enter one torn up Duster fender...I painted the bottom with the spray bomb then mixed some paint with the mineral spirits and like he said I just did it till it felt right...took the roller and applied it to the top of the fender..it is cold tonight and actually that isnt bad since it made it easier to work with. You can do the fender lips and edges using the rounded edge. It seems to give it a different texture but I am thinking it will lay down and not be visible. Well first coat on and I can tell it is laying down. To be honest the sprayed part looks really good already. I will let it dry tonight and reapply another coat tomorrow then wet sand on Saturday...I will play with this over the weekend and I am really interested to see how this comes out...next up my girlfriends beater Neon...


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Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: 69superbee383] #21572
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Ok I was bored tonight so I ran down to Home Depot and picked up a quart of Rustoleum 7747 Sunburst yellow paint. Also got a quart of mineral spirits and the high density foam rollers. or giggles I also got a spray can of the same paint. I swear that color looks a lot like a cross between Viper Yellow and FY 1.

Enter one torn up Duster fender...I painted the bottom with the spray bomb then mixed some paint with the mineral spirits and like he said I just did it till it felt right...took the roller and applied it to the top of the fender..it is cold tonight and actually that isnt bad since it made it easier to work with. You can do the fender lips and edges using the rounded edge. It seems to give it a different texture but I am thinking it will lay down and not be visible. Well first coat on and I can tell it is laying down. To be honest the sprayed part looks really good already. I will let it dry tonight and reapply another coat tomorrow then wet sand on Saturday...I will play with this over the weekend and I am really interested to see how this comes out...next up my girlfriends beater Neon...




do another coat, try to put it on really light, i hope u prepped the fender a little before you started painting. when u wet sand try using a 600-800 grit, and lightly wet sand the fender with light pressure and ALOT of water. Spraying it on should maybe work better but its messy, stinky, and a pain. when u first start to wet sand you'll notice the paper just kinda glides over the paint and it does'nt really feel like your sanding anything, keep going, soon the water will stop beeding off the paint and it will start to turn yellow. after wetsanding it looks like crap, this is where the polishing come in, brings it to glass.

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: BSharp] #21573
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any idea if they can mix specific colors. my whole car is royal blue and i don't want to do the trunk, engine compartment and door jambs.....man i just realized if alot of us do this he's gonna have a lot of beer to drink....

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: MNobody] #21574
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home depot has a scanner and can scan a paint sample and tint the paint for you, just no metalics. but yes basically u can get it in a custom color.

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #21575
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69chargeryeeha, Do you realize what you have done here? I have not seen this much interest in a thread in a while. I posted a link to it over at dodgecharger dot com and already 2 guys over there are running out to home depot!!!

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: noisydart] #21576
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I thought that I had a desent job at about 300.00 for primer and base/clear including having a friend spray it his bosses booth. I bought the Omni paint.

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This is driving me crazy.


1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #21578
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guys all i have to tell you is that i first painted a 85 honda crx at my cottage in 1 day, i had no money, i did like 3 coats with no sanding and it looked great, i should scan that old pic and show you!!!. The job only looks as good as the time and effort that you put into it. the paint is extreemly durable, think about it, it's used to paint over rusted metal on things like tractors, metal railings, ect... and stand the elements. it is formulated to do just that. the tequnique is critical, u have to have a "feel" for how much to thin the paint and u have to use mineral spirits, not paint thinner like varsol. I could not even imagine how well it would turn out if you sprayed it with a HVLP gun and wet sanded and polished. It does "self Level" on the sides just as it does on the flat level surfaces. Like i said before it is critical on how you thin the paint and how you apply it. i did the charger in about 3 days. i got sick of going to body shops and them telling me either they don't do classic cars and if they did want to do the car i need at least $5000 even though the car was stripped and prepped!!!! the auto painting industry is in my opinion a total rip off so if you want it done right and cheep, do it yourself!!! when the paint is thinned your barley putting on any paint with each coat, so you really need to do about 6 coats to get enough of a base so you can wet sand and polish. it took me a long time to figure out what steps to take to get awesome results. my 74 bug looks awesome even after 6 years the paint is still mint. looks like the day i did it. that paint dries FAST, so literally you can wetsand overnight. Keep in mind i know a little about painting, i've shoot a few cars with single stage enamel with professional results, but it's expensive and tedious. I used duplicolor paint, primer, reducer and primer sealer on this car:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC00194.jpg
it looked like this before paint:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/Picture1.jpg
that car was painted midnight metalic blue, and flips awesome in the sun. a very hard color to do cause it's almost black and shows every imperfection. but as you can see in the pic it came out awesome. but the materials alone (paint, reducer, primer, primer sealer) cost about $250 CDN, which was alot, never mind the work.
the "tremclad" paint is really a awesome alternetive, since your rollering it on there's no dust and you get a really clean paint job if you do it in your garage, where if you spray theres a battle with dust.
when i painted with the Tremclad i just use the paint, no primer, nothing, just the paint, right over bondo. like i mentioned before after wetsanding use a random orbit polisher and the cheapest POLISHING COMPOUND made by turtle wax, it comes in a paste in a small round flat container and it's white, allmost looks like hand cream and smells good too!!! I find that after thinning the paint with mineral spirits the paint "flashes" or dries really quickly, and after a overnight period it is completely dry, unlike automotive paint which takes up to 6 months to fully "cure" so litterally the next day you can sand, buff, polish, and wax the paint. on the charger the paint looks really good, i did not take a huge amount of time to perfect it because i really really wanted to drive it!!!. in the spring i plan on wetsanding and polishing it more, but yes it looks like the pics, really good. considering that it cost me about $50 i love it and i'm not paranoid about juicing it on a dirt road and going sideways worring about my precious paint job, i drive the car, hard and alot, after all is'nt that what they're made for? for $50 and a few days of work i can paint it again in a few years!!!! If your not good with your hands, and not a real detail person let someone else paint your car cause it can get ugly really fast!!!! if i had a shop, made a little paint booth and sprayed this stuff on and wetsanded and polished it, i'm sure i could paint show quality cars with $30 worth of paint. keep in mind this paint is really good, like i said bofore i bought a can 3 yrs later to repaint a fender on my 74 beatle and it was dead on for color match, that must tell you about the quality of the paint, i'd give you $100 if you could tell me which fender i painted on this car in person, and its' right out of the can:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC00164.jpg
keep in mind that you must still prep the car as you would with any other paint job, prepping is all the work and reflects the overall result.
i did not block sand the car just wetsand progressivly finer paper by HAND, no machine, no block nothing. using any "block" to sand i found the paper got dirty fast and got all plugged up, so do it by hand and keep it really wet, using a spray bottle in one hand and a clean bucket of water and a shammy (dollar store!!!)to clean it off to see how it looks. i prepped the car with 80, then 100, then 200, finished with a 400, did all my body work, and painted. after 2 coats (about 4hrs work for the whole car) i wetsanded with a 600, then did 2 more coats, wetsand with 800, 2 more coats and sand with a 1000-1500 and polish, followed by wax, done......



If you wanted metalic why couldn't upi mix in metalic flakes?? Just a thought. I know you would have to keep them stirred up to get them somwhat even. That would be the main problem with the roller technique but if it were sprayed???

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: MoparforLife] #21579
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the paint would be to thin with metalic in the paint and it would shift, if you sprayed the paint on then of course the metalics would work just like they do on a single stage acrylic enamel.

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: Pool Fixer] #21580
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For a post that started out as "where can I paint my car for $3000", this is a heck of an interesting post.
How many colors does this stuff come in? Can it be tinted to near any factory color?
I think I'm in for a trip to HD this weekend, pick up a piece of 16 guage and start experimenting!!

Paint - $30
Supplies - $20
Look on people's face when you tell them its put on with a roller - PRICELESS

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: 65Frank] #21581
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69chargeryeehaa , thanks for the time you're taking to explain this, very interesting.

I think I'll give it a shot too. I have an old door from a 65 Valiant I can experiment on. I'm going to try a beige or sand type color, and if it looks good I'll probably do my whole dart with it!

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: Exit1965] #21582
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Looking at the 2 different rustoleum sites I am not sure if Tremclad is just Rustoleum with different name. It seems to be marketed differently in Canada and no real equivalent on the USA site.

It might not meet EPA standards in the USA.


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HMMMM- I have a horse trailer in need of paint. That should work well for a trial.

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: MoparforLife] #21584
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This is a very interesting thread. I painted my Jeep CJ5 with the Rustoleum paint but thinned it and sprayed it on-red by the way and it looks great. It sits outside and is holding up well to rain, frost, and snow. I just could't see spending $$$s on a vehicle used off road It took about 1 1/2 Qts. to do the jeep and a gallon of thinner. It ended up about $30 total and people think it looks good. I have good adhesion to the paint underneath. I only spray canned primer on the bare metal spots. It looked so good I did my BroncoII in Sept. with Rustoleum enamel and it's holding up good in the winter weather too1. Get the gloss by the way.

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wonder how this would work on engine blocks?

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: max] #21586
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i've painted engine accessories like air cleaners, pulleys, fans, with the rattle can version, but on the block it self i would only use a engine enamel, i would'nt want to expirement with the rust paint and have it not hold up to the heat. i have had really good luck with duplicolor engine enamel in a rattle can, in my pics, both the beetle engine tins were painted with it and it looks just like when i did it, also keep in mind that those VW air-cooled beetles run HOT, over 400* deg F, and the paint is perfect after 6 years.

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #21587
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This is really a great thread,thanks a lot 69chargeryeehaa!
The A-100 might get that treatment when it's time to paint.

One note about the Duplicolor spary can engine enamel - my buddy and I had nothing but trouble with them as compared to the Plastikote. On more than one occasion they would fish-eye like crazy, and not cover very well. Using the Plastikote solved the problem. It happened more than once, so we swore never to use Duplicolor. But the Duplicolor in Canada can be diffeenet than the Duplicolor in So-Cal.

Ran

P.S. - I see the "it doesn't look nearly as good as my custom $10,000 paint job" criticizm has died down, thank god.

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I was at walmart this morning and saw some Rustoleum enamel in smallish cans for about $7.50

They had some that were "flat" and some were "gloss". Since this techique uses buffing at the end to get the shine, is there a reason to go with gloss or not gloss paint?

Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: Exit1965] #21589
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use the gloss, the flat has flattening adjents in it and i doubt it would buff as good as the gloss.

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