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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2152133
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Originally Posted By Rob C
IMO, more than 30hp for a tenth, a lot more.


At 3800lbs, going from 11.50 to 11.40, the moroso chart shows it would take 13hp, about the same for going from 115mph to 116mph.


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Here is a link to a video of the console during the 720 hp pull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGD_oIgbas

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andy on your see through valve cover on you tube videos i would expect to see rocker oil sooner and more of it?

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Yeah that is what everyone says but the rockers just don't spray that much oil around. I've posted 3 different rocker arm videos now and they all look roughly the same. I think the MRE rockers have the most oil spraying around but even they don't have a ton of it.

I'm using pushrod oiling as well as normal internal oiling thru the head so if anything my rocker arms should have more oil than normal. Guess that goes to show how little oil is actually up there in the valve covers.

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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Originally Posted By Rob C
IMO, more than 30hp for a tenth, a lot more.


At 3800lbs, going from 11.50 to 11.40, the moroso chart shows it would take 13hp, about the same for going from 115mph to 116mph.


Yep, about right. Heck at 30 horse for a tenth, that would be only a little better than 3 tenths with a hundred horsepower gain... Lol
100 horse change is WAY more than 3+ tenths.
I saw exactly a tenth( as did my brother with his car at the same time) when we both went to electric water pumps and electric fans years ago. We figured a 12-15 horse change, and it indeed showed up as a tenth on our time slips.


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do you think its enough oil for valve spring cooling

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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Did you try the 1050/4500 on an adapter, on the TF manifold?

The TF intake 1050/4150 combo was 5hp better than the unported M1/4500 combo?


I did try the Dominator on the TF intake using a Wilson adapter and it sucked. Lost 20 hp when compared to the 1050-AN QF carb.

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I guess I didn't expect there to be that much difference, one way or the other.

Just shows how easy it is to bolt combinations of stuff on that doesn't work.


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Yeah I've had guys tell me that the Dominator works better on a 4150 intake due to the "venturi effect". Not exactly sure what that means but it didn't work on this combo.

For comparison the TF intake with a 4150 carb was 10 hp better than the unported M1 4500 intake with the Dominator carb. The Wilson intake added a bunch of power over the unported M1 but most guys aren't going to spend the bucks to have Wilson re-work an intake that much. So for the average bracket guy the best combo appears to be the TF intake with a good 4150 carb.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Did you try the 1050/4500 on an adapter, on the TF manifold?

The TF intake 1050/4150 combo was 5hp better than the unported M1/4500 combo?


I did try the Dominator on the TF intake using a Wilson adapter and it sucked. Lost 20 hp when compared to the 1050-AN QF carb.


Was that the tall adapter/spacer and was it blended into the plenum? work Easy to say the dommy sucked w/out a TALL adapter blended into the plenum..........maybe I should ship you my intake and carb for a test............. drive

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Here are a couple of pulls from inside the dyno cell: https://youtu.be/8oLyIhDdKww

Engine is making around 720 hp @ 6600 rpm on these pulls. Using a very tall open spacer with a merge insert on top of the Wilson intake. The rocker arms start to throw off of a lot of oil at the top of the run but the oil clears off as soon as the RPM drops.

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So, how would this be for a "Drag Week" type build?

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Originally Posted By AndyF
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Did you try the 1050/4500 on an adapter, on the TF manifold?

The TF intake 1050/4150 combo was 5hp better than the unported M1/4500 combo?


I did try the Dominator on the TF intake using a Wilson adapter and it sucked. Lost 20 hp when compared to the 1050-AN QF carb.


It's easy to sit here on the computer and "spend your money", but I'd love to see that test done with a 1050/4500 on top of an HVH 4500/4150 super sucker adapter.


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Originally Posted By Skeptic
So, how would this be for a "Drag Week" type build?


The heads on Andy's dyno mule have had a few parts changes since the first pull..... But IMO, the ootb roller springs/retainers, along with 1.5 rockers(zero power loss in that combo) and some decent lifters(as in someone's premium lifter)....... Keep it under 7k..... Should work fine.


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So what is the combo of said motor as of right now..I see you have changed a few parts here and there just wondering if you didn't mind giving a short run down...that's some pretty good numbers there..

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I haven't changed the shortblock since the beginning so it is still 10.5 compression with the SCAT crank and Diamond pistons. It currently has the Comp cam in it which is 264/268 duration. What I've been testing lately is the rocker arms and then I've tried some different carb spacers and stuff like that. High level summary is that it makes 700 hp with a Trick Flow intake and a QF carb. With the Wilson intake and a Dominator it makes about 720 hp.

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Originally Posted By Skeptic
Andy, are you still going to test the M1 tunnel ram?


Getting ready to do just that.

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Andy, are you offering a valley plate for the trick flows at this time? I am starting a build and cannot stand the tin tray. Would like to order if you are, thanks.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
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Andy, are you still going to test the M1 tunnel ram?


Getting ready to do just that.

Are those the "Magical" 500 cfm Eddie carbs?

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