Re: Combo changed, but ET still the same?
[Re: JCCuda]
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09/10/16 12:53 PM
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...You mentioned that you have 1.6 rockers that you want to try. Do you know that there will be enough piston to valve clearance for the additional .035/.036 valve lift? I think I should be OK, the readings (measured using play-dough imprint from piston top valve cut-outs and the heads/valve-train installed) with the current 1.5 ratio are: INTAKE => 0.180 EXHAUST => 0.225 So that extra 0.035" lift should still give me a safe enough clearance. I was a bit worried about the valve spring clearance actually. I am using the HughesEngines #1111, which is 155 lbs@1.800" and 330 lbs@1.250", so that gives me a spec'ed room of 0.550", but the published coil-bind comes in at 0.700" and when I originally ordered my cam Hughes had me upgrade from 1102 spring to 1111 given that I told them I'd like to run the 1.6 ratio rocker arm eventually. To be sure, I did check the installed height of all the valve springs, they came in at 1.727-1.786 (actually, only 1 valve was 1.727 while the remainder were typically at 1.750).
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Re: Combo changed, but ET still the same?
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09/11/16 05:07 PM
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the change in valve lift has almost no effects on valve to piston clearance.... it's the valve timing events, and you are barely changing those. I know that you know that you'll be ok but for the wrong reason. OK, so I agree, the valve timing can potentially have the much bigger impact on this...but when the cam stays the same (as in my situation) eventually (if the lift change is significant enough) you might simply run-out of the existing "room" between the valve head and the piston/valve-cutout. In this case I wanted to make sure I still have enough clearance left, because after all I shaved 0.030" from the head surface (static CR bump) and then increased the lift by 0.035", in effect that's equivalent to a 0.065" increase in lift, and if things were already tight before that change could cause a real problem.
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Re: Combo changed, but ET still the same?
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09/11/16 05:21 PM
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I think the gist of it is...... Net valve lift has almost nothing to do with V/P clearance. Full lift occurs at the cam C/L. As an example, a 110lsa cam installed at 106 has peak valve lift at 106..... Or, 16deg after the piston is 1/2 way down the bore. Duration has a much bigger impact on V/P clearance. Longer duration camshafts get the valves farther off the seat when the piston is near tdc..... Which is when the clearance gets tight.
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Re: Combo changed, but ET still the same?
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09/11/16 10:10 PM
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Ahh...you guys, yeah, totally makes sense...duh...not sure why I wasn't seeing this. At or near the TDC is where this becomes an issue, the max lift on the intake side will not happen @ TDC, my cam has the intake valve openning at 13 deg BTC, so simply not enough lift @ TDC. Now the exhaust is a tad different, but again with my cam and the valve closing being 11 deg ATC, the max exhaust lift will occur well before the TDC.
Good stuff, thanks again!!!
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Re: Combo changed, but ET still the same?
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09/11/16 10:18 PM
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Last edited by Cab_Burge; 09/11/16 10:19 PM.
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