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Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: 69L78Nova] #2126774
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Couldent agree more. Put a Champion 22in in my 68Runner and aint looking back. Let the next owner worry about Correctness.


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Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: Rhinodart] #2126863
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Originally Posted By Rhinodart
My 69 Dart 383 always ran hot, but I like a lot of timing. If I backed down the timing it ran quite a bit cooler... work


I'm going to try some AC Delco R43S plugs just to see what a colder plug will do for it.


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Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: Morty426] #2127147
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Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By wkroncke17
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Originally Posted By TimS
Yes I do still have the original radiator in the car. I just always thought aluminum was better. The 3rd owner who had the car for 30 years before I bought it mentioned the car has always ran a bit hot. It seems to always run down the highway at about 190-195 degrees and in traffic at about 210 or so. I've got a 180 thermostat in it. Recoring the radiator and new water pump haven't helped the issue. Just trying to get the running temps down.


I was an Engineering Manager at a heat exchanger manufacturer for two years.

The only advantage of aluminum is cost and weight.

Copper / brass has better thermals, corrosion resistance and durability.

I would never put an aluminum radiator in anything that originally had a brass unit.


Morty, what about the myth (or truth?) that aluminum dissipates heat so much quicker and better than brass?
I also thought an aluminum rad was better, maybe not??



That's a myth. Per density the copper / brass unit will cool better however the margin is very small.

The only advantage of aluminum is cost and weight.

The big disadvantage is strength and durability. Aluminum has no real fatigue strength. As such it should never be used in a severe or industrial application. Also pure water will corrode it in no time.

The aluminum radiators in modern cars have isolation and expansion notches to quick fatigue to a minimum but eventually the tubes will crack and leak.


Good facts about heat exchangers but unfortunately wrong conclusions when it comes to auto radiators. If copper/brass radiators and aluminum radiators where the same design then what is Said above would be more relevant but they are not even close.

C/B radiators have 3/8" or 1/2" tubes because of strength limitations while modern aluminum radiators have 1", 1 1/4" or even 1 1/2" tubes. These larger tubes have much more surface area to dissipate heat. It takes 5 C/B tubes to equal two 1" tubes. My Griffin has two 1 1/4" tubes which would be equivalent to 6 C/B tubes. However any more than 4 tubes starts to restrict airflow causing diminishing returns for additional tubes.

C/B radiators use solder to hold everything together and to attach the fins to the tubes. This solder has no where near the heat conductivity of copper or brass and reduces the efficiency to less than aluminum.

Aluminum radiators have the tubes closer together than oem type C/B radiators and thus have more tubes per row. They also have a lot more fins per inch.

If you have an all stock collector car then by all means get your original radiator recored with the most efficient C/B core available. For every thing else buy a good aluminum radiator that is less expensive and more efficient. Why use 100 year old tech if you don't have to.


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Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: TimS] #2127308
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Gomangocuda: What is your take on the longevity of an aluminum versus copper/brass OE style? I've had radiator shops tell me you'll only get around 5 good years of constant hot/cold use out of an aluminum radiator before issues will probably start to occur. This is really the main reason I stuck with my OE radiator. Core is still excellent but if I could get some confidence that a new aluminum would get my running temps down the 15 degrees I'm after, I would pull this stock unit. I would like to drive my Formula S to the Mopar Nationals next year but the August days can be pretty hot and humid. I want a cool running car to do that.

My stock 065 radiator has 1/2 tubes. I'm going to see what happens when we have some more 90 degree heat coming up. It does cool better right now after the tubes were cleared out. Just doesn't run a constant 180 all the time.


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1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: TimS] #2127587
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Here is a good article of pros and cons.
http://www.cgj.com/2013/07/16/aluminum-vs-copper-brass-radiator-final-thoughts/

The biggest difference in longevity is that it is harder to repair or recore the aluminum rad. Probably cheaper to replace it. The copper/brass radiator can be repaired relatively easily.


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Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: GomangoCuda] #2127680
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Originally Posted By GomangoCuda
Here is a good article of pros and cons.
http://www.cgj.com/2013/07/16/aluminum-vs-copper-brass-radiator-final-thoughts/

The biggest difference in longevity is that it is harder to repair or recore the aluminum rad. Probably cheaper to replace it. The copper/brass radiator can be repaired relatively easily.



Thanks for the info. Very interesting reading. My Barracuda is very original and I want to retain its radiator but for long distance driving I still may snatch on to an aluminum one for better cooling. I just don't want to throw more money at this if it isn't going to reduce the temps a bit.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: TimS] #2127713
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I'm getting a 26 inch radiator from this company. ecp radiators They get good reviews.

I like the two core's with one-inch tube idea. I looked at champion and they have 3/4 inch two row and the 3-4 row tubes from then have .5/8" or so tubes. I'm replacing a older copper/brass modine 3 core 26 inch.


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Re: Recommendations on Aluminum Radiator for 69 Barracuda 383? [Re: TimS] #2128253
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Allot of good points on the use of both copper/brass and aluminum styles.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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