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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: tsanchez] #2119189
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Originally Posted By tsanchez
Reid pressure is 5-7 on av gas


Yup 38-49kpa

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2119199
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
You have the reed vapor pressures backward, fall, winter and spring it is 9# here for pump gas. Summer here it is 7# to help keep gas fumes out of the atmosphere. Avgas generally has even less so it is even less prone to vapor lock..less.

I own a fuel company and have been selling Sunoco race fuels since the mid 80s and still do today, yes even today I sold some. I have met Sunoco's Mike T Miller and learned a lot from him over the years. He's the technical operation manager for Sunoco performance products.

Av gas check it out.


Yeah.. summer fuel is low RVP winter in this area is
right at 10#... I tested the RVP on every load of fuel
I ordered.. and I even had a load with 15# RVP which
was a special order... plus I had to test it before every
test... its measured from 32*or less up to 100*..you use a
stainless seal vessel(we called them bombs) and its set in
the 100* water and that water temp is exact
wave [/quote]Ya, had my numbers reversed as I was basing them on the test procedure; " the higher the # the more susceptible it is to vapor lock". Sorry bout that. At any rate, there is a reason why the fuel we buy from the pump is reformulated at least 4 times a year based on average ambient air temp changes - and those changes are in the RVP area.


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: yella71] #2119315
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Originally Posted By yella71
Here we go..... popcorn


Yeah, been beat to death, the haters hate it and the lovers love it.


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Thumperdart] #2119673
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I'd bet most of the haters have never personally used it.


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2119741
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
I'd bet most of the haters have never personally used it.


guaranteed 100%........i would never open my mouth regarding any topic that i had never had first hand experience with.

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Thumperdart] #2119754
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4 grams of lead per gallon of 100LL. I run 87 non-jokenol in my O-320 and the plugs stay much cleaner.

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Airwoofer] #2119828
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How well does it start after sitting for several momnths between flights?

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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: KOS] #2119848
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Originally Posted By KOS
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
I'd bet most of the haters have never personally used it.


guaranteed 100%........i would never open my mouth regarding any topic that i had never had first hand experience with.



I agree with yall. AV gas has always been good to me

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Airwoofer] #2119858
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Originally Posted By Airwoofer
4 grams of lead per gallon of 100LL. I run 87 non-jokenol in my O-320 and the plugs stay much cleaner.


Turn the fuel pump on, hit the gas twice, it starts right up. When it evaporates, it doesn't leave any crap in the fuel bowls. I like it.

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Cab_Burge] #2119859
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
How well does it start after sitting for several momnths between flights?

My road runner hasn't been started in a couple months...planned on getting it out this weekend. Has a tank full of 100LL Avgas. I'll let you know. up


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Cab_Burge] #2119860
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
How well does it start after sitting for several momnths between flights?
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There is an STC available to run mogas in some Bonanzas. It's about $2 a gallon less than 100 low leadI. still would not run it. I only run 100ll in mine.....


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2119915
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I plan on gettin some here soon after I burn up the 101 unleaded and I`ll let you guys know how it runs and the tuning differences.............


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: FastmOp] #2119928
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Originally Posted By FastmOp
Originally Posted By KOS
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
I'd bet most of the haters have never personally used it.


guaranteed 100%........i would never open my mouth regarding any topic that i had never had first hand experience with.



I agree with yall. AV gas has always been good to me


Me too. I've used it since the 80's. Never had any of the issues others have mentioned, in particular valve seats. Seat surfaces were always decent.

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Thumperdart] #2119930
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You can run a little more timing in it and you'll probably need to jet bigger too. Been running it in for many years with no issues, mixed 50/50 with super unleaded. twocents


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Thumperdart] #2119940
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My O-320 is low compression (7-1). Runs like a champ (LOL, it's in a '66 7GCAA built by Champion) and probably has the same HP as the 160 HP version that has to run 100LL. I know this cause it has the same prop as the new ones and I get 2500 RPM on TO and can redline it going flat out. Thanks Lycon for the nice valve job you put on the new cyls. The plane sits in my hangar that is not temperature controlled so it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter, and flies maybe 1/2 hr each weekend. My plane is in my back yard (as is my grass airstrip) and runs on the same gas I use in the mower. It starts perfectly and all I have to do is pump the throttle once or twice before hitting the button. Not at all like the IO motors that you have to start with the lean lever. But I ONLY use non-jokenol fuel from a station that has clean fuel with no water (I filter through a Mr. Funnel with the green screen).

That lead in an A/C motor gets into the oil. When I bot the plane the first thing I did was remove the freeze plug at the end of the crank to check for corrosion. The whole front of the crank (they are hollow on the snout for variable props) was filled with gray colored paste from the lead deposits. Now my oil stays very nice (Airwolf filter) and the plugs look great when I swap them up/down at 50 hr intervals.

As for running it in a car motor, the lead should help a little but may have the same effects I had on the plane motor with the plugs / oil. How much lead is in C-16? That stuff makes my plugs porcelain look yellow. Thumper, I sent you the wrong plugs, those ones were not from the motor that old Dom ran on.

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Airwoofer] #2119947
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Originally Posted By Airwoofer
My O-320 is low compression (7-1). Runs like a champ (LOL, it's in a '66 7GCAA built by Champion) and probably has the same HP as the 160 HP version that has to run 100LL. I know this cause it has the same prop as the new ones and I get 2500 RPM on TO and can redline it going flat out. Thanks Lycon for the nice valve job you put on the new cyls. The plane sits in my hangar that is not temperature controlled so it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter, and flies maybe 1/2 hr each weekend. My plane is in my back yard (as is my grass airstrip) and runs on the same gas I use in the mower. It starts perfectly and all I have to do is pump the throttle once or twice before hitting the button. Not at all like the IO motors that you have to start with the lean lever. But I ONLY use non-jokenol fuel from a station that has clean fuel with no water (I filter through a Mr. Funnel with the green screen).

That lead in an A/C motor gets into the oil. When I bot the plane the first thing I did was remove the freeze plug at the end of the crank to check for corrosion. The whole front of the crank (they are hollow on the snout for variable props) was filled with gray colored paste from the lead deposits. Now my oil stays very nice (Airwolf filter) and the plugs look great when I swap them up/down at 50 hr intervals.

As for running it in a car motor, the lead should help a little but may have the same effects I had on the plane motor with the plugs / oil. How much lead is in C-16? That stuff makes my plugs porcelain look yellow. Thumper, I sent you the wrong plugs, those ones were not from the motor that old Dom ran on.


More good info............did you try those carbs out yet?


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Thumperdart] #2119970
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Not yet. Gave up on fitting the 540 in and am now working on putting back in the 499. The carbs will get tried on then, but probably the 2" Dom will be all it needs.

100LL gas can sit in your lawn mower all winter - outside - and it will fire right up the next season. No gum, and no jokenol so no issues with corrosion of the jets. It is a slow burning fuel I think made for engines with bores much bigger than we run. Bores so big it takes 2 spark plugs to get the fire lit evenly.

Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Airwoofer] #2119973
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I may try a few gallons and see what it does..........


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Re: AV-GAS QUESTIONS................ [Re: Thumperdart] #2119988
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Dom.. I use to run it years ago before they buckled
down on the sale of it... I had to run 2 jets sizes
larger to run good... I dont recall moving the timing
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I`m lucky cos my friend is an airplane mechanic and pilot so easy money for me although I may be moving to Kingman Az so not sure about that deal.......... thumbs


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