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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2108097
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without going through all the pages - has anyone used the Crane Gold rockers on the TF head ? Fit ok or issues ? 1.5 or 1.6 ?

thanks

Tex


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2108110
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Dwayne.
I cringe every time I see you have to defend yourself to some folks on here. It makes me worry you might be inclined to stop posting.
I am pretty stingy with compliments, but I know you know your stuff, so I again have to compliment your knowledge, how it's helped me personally, and many others on here.
Rock on buddy!!!


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: momopar] #2108128
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Originally Posted By momopar
That's PURTY!

DAMITALLTOHELL, you guys keep posting these heads and the great numbers at .400-.500 is fo' sure gonna set me back a few $$$$s


You like the blue eh?

The reddish orange kinda floats me boat.


Well if you don't like the blue valley cover how about a clear one instead?

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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: B3RE] #2108156
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Originally Posted By B3RE
Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Like I said, your results may vary.
I will rely on my 26 years of engine building and dyno testing experience and believe the results to be accurate.

You make a few assumptions on my 446/493 comparison about the valvetrain.
Since you have already made up your mind that my testing is somehow invalid I won't continue to argue about it, but will only add that for both of those motors there were no signs of any valvetrain instability to well beyond the point where the hp peaks occurred.

Dwayne, it seems to me that there was a huge attempt to invalidate what I do by several of the "important" folks on here. Many still will not recognize it after years of nothing but successful results.

I haven't made up my mind about your testing, because I haven't seen all the data, but if my guess concerning the rockers was correct, I see a problem. Not an opportunity or attempt to invalidate your testing.

I have enough first-hand experience with Dwayne to feel confident saying you can direct your skepticism about his work & test results elsewhere.

Unless plans change, I'll be dropping by your spot at Carlisle on Saturday to introduce myself and check out your products.

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2108206
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Showoff!

You do nice work.

I did see a pic of a 505 you built with a Dominator on top that was orange.

Blue/orange they both look pretty sanitary!

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: tex013] #2108526
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Originally Posted By tex013
without going through all the pages - has anyone used the Crane Gold rockers on the TF head ? Fit ok or issues ? 1.5 or 1.6 ?

thanks

Tex



I run Crane gold rockers 1.6 on my TF 240. I cant se any issues whit them, have alot of street miles on them and shift it 5200rpm.........
But Im not an pro on engine either soo dont take that for sure :-)

* Camshaft is MP .528

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2108527
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Thanks Carter

Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.94
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
Power by Tex's Automotive
Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: AndyF] #2108723
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Originally Posted By AndyF
Only potential problem is they are a little taller so in some applications you might have a space issue.


Andy, where exactly are the TF's taller and by how much? Are the exhaust ports in the stock location or raised too?
I also don't have much clearance to my heater fan motor (big block in A-body is always a game of inches. Or fractions of an inch!)

thanks.
Charles

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2108758
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Rocker shaft is moved up about 5/8 of an inch. I think the entire valve cover is raised roughly the same amount. I didn't spend too much time measuring that stuff since I'm not worried about height on the dyno, but I did notice that the TF heads are taller.

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2108878
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How much taller is that trick flow manifold than a street dominator?

I have a '69 ramcharger (coronet)set-up but am thinking the T.F. will be too tall?

I ain't fo' sure the street dominator is low enough?

Guess there is always the 6 pak hood eh?

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: momopar] #2109326
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Originally Posted By momopar
How much taller is that trick flow manifold than a street dominator?

I have a '69 ramcharger (coronet)set-up but am thinking the T.F. will be too tall?

I ain't fo' sure the street dominator is low enough?

Guess there is always the 6 pak hood eh?


I think they are saying the heads are taller , the ports are raised higher than stock.

Nevermind the intake fitting under you flat hood, I think you'd have clearance problems even with a stock height intake on the trickflow head ?


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: JohnRR] #2109382
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Nope, the runners are at the stock height. The valves are longer, so the rest of the head above the runners is raised.

They will fit under a flat hood with the right manifold.

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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: momopar] #2109421
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Originally Posted By momopar
How much taller is that trick flow manifold than a street dominator?

I have a '69 ramcharger (coronet)set-up but am thinking the T.F. will be too tall?

I ain't fo' sure the street dominator is low enough?

Guess there is always the 6 pak hood eh?


You might want to start a new thread for what intake/carb/air cleaner combination fits under the ramcharger hood?

I know my Performer RPM / Holley was about hood height on my '69 Coronet without an air filter (440 with Stealth heads.)

On the Coronet I changed to the Edelbrock XT port EFI intake. It has the front mounted throttle body, so it is actually lower in height than the RPM intake and Holley carb I originally had on the engine. My plan is to make a filter base that will go over the XT manifold and seal to the ramcharger hood, with the inner (filtered) part of the base feeding the throttle body.

The '73 Jensen I am going to use the Trick Flow heads on also has a pretty low hood, and I was just going to use the Holley Street Dominator intake.

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Originally Posted By 451Mopar

You might want to start a new thread for what intake/carb/air cleaner combination fits under the ramcharger hood?




Already has one


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2109503
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Have any head porting guru's tried getting more out of these heads? or is it generally accepted that trick flow's cnc program is the best they are going to get.

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Originally Posted By rednuck
Have any head porting guru's tried getting more out of these heads? or is it generally accepted that trick flow's cnc program is the best they are going to get.

I haven't tried yet, but there is more there. How much remains to be seen.


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: AndyF] #2111337
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Originally Posted By AndyF
Originally Posted By momopar
That's PURTY!

DAMITALLTOHELL, you guys keep posting these heads and the great numbers at .400-.500 is fo' sure gonna set me back a few $$$$s


You like the blue eh?

The reddish orange kinda floats me boat.


Well if you don't like the blue valley cover how about a clear one instead?
That is sick. I want one!

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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2113288
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I was finally able to get that link with the Dulcich article to open on my phone.
Unless there is a part of it that's just not coming through on my phone, there was really very little info there.

The thing that really seemed odd to me was the low peak hp rpm point for that build.
With that intake on those heads I wouldn't think it would take much cam at all to have the hp peaking at over 6k.

We just recently had a 446 on the dyno with KB237 pistons, sidewinder heads(with my valve job, bowls blended, gasket matched, milled to 80cc), rpm intake, QFT ss830 carb, 250/254-108 solid cam, and my dyno headers on it(2-2 1/8 x 4)...... Which made surprisingly close power to that Dulcich TF build(552tq @ 4500, 550hp @ 6200).

The TF build seemed a little high to me, but the Dulcich build seems too low.
I guess it just comes back to not being able to compare numbers from different dynos.


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #2113404
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So, does anyone have any track results with trick flows??

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I've got my engine at a local builder and things just aren't going how I'd hoped. One of the hurdles is the rockers. He's trying to use these Chinese stainless rockers. Some look like they've been welded and ground. The caps on the rocker shaft are different width than the posts on the heads so the shims are only contacting on the head. ..Is this normal? Okay? If you had to get some rockers today what is a safe bet? I've been following this thread since it's inception and it seems like there still isn't a really good option but Crane golds will work? Any input will be appreciated. The engine is a 512 stroker flat tappet cam.



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