What year and applications were they avail.?

What length are they and how are tbey measured?

Other long ram gurus will chime in, I believe the years were 60-64, on B's and RB's. They were originally measured as 30", but from where to where, I don't know. a shorter similar looking version was offered and rather rare, that was said to be 15", but still outwardly almost the same, they removed half (15"?) of the divider in each pair of runners. That raised the tuning from 2800 rpm to ??. They really should never be considered a performance upgrade today with current technology, except maybe for RB 383 cross country trailer pulling Station wagon, no matter how neat they look. And I own a set, and also had them on my 62 dart in HS.

60/61/63/64,some say 62 but could never verify.Also,they wont fit in a b-body unless you cut the shock tower.As for length !!

A local guy has a set that he was trying to sell me. He said they were off a 63 413 I believe. I never measured them. He wanted a grand for them but I don`t think they were really worth half that.

There are two versions of the long ram. On the long version the tube divider valley extends all the way to the plenum.

All the 1959 Chrysler 300 came with them. I've heard that Mopar made some 1960 and 1961 Dodge and Plymouth police pursuit cars with low deck motors with them also, I've never seen one of those
I belive that there are three different version of those intake, the divider length being the the differences between them. The 15 inch moddle mention was in Hot Rod and Car Craft magazines in the early 1962/63 years and is in fact the factory Max Wedge short one piece crossrams, not a long ram version

Cab, not 59's, 60 300F's were the first to get them

My 60 Dart had them.The exhaust tubes used to be worth a bundle.Not sure if they still are.The pieces that go on the valley pan are usually not with them.Cant say how many sets ive seen and all it was was the tubes.The small pieces that go between them on the heads/pan are usually missing as are the exgaust tubes.Rocky

and those center pieces were just cut on a band saw between the center mounting holes, so every intake is different at that cut line. a few years ago, someone was reproducing those, but were extra length so you could fit to your intakes. the balance tubes can be made from exhaust tubing i believe, but must be slightly crushed to fit between the intake pieces.

Yeah forgot about the balance tubes.The crush was odd.Mine still had the original rubbers and clamps as they were all together.I think someone was repopping the exhaust tube and maybe the manifolds also.Same with the vacuum pod and the cross linkage for the carbs.Rocky

Should have kept it !!

Me thinks not, I could have bought a 1959 300E convertable with the factory crossram motor in it in 1964. It was in a auto repair shop in 29 Palms, CA and the owner( A Marine) had some work done by the shop and left it for what was owed on the bill. The bill was around $500.00 which was more than I wanted to pay for a big old tank convertable A freind of my wifes husband ended up with it years later as she had inherited the garage and all the contents of the garage and storage yard attached.

My 60 Dodge had aluminum runners and the air cleaners were red.Car ran good but was a pain as it fouled plugs a lot and what a treat to change them.Luckily I had the lift at the Sunoco station.Wish I still had it as it was rare being a vert on top of a D500.Rocky

Was that a 383 or 361 motor?

It would be neat (not necessarily practical) to put one of the 30" versions on a 440 built for towing in a truck, probably be a good fit

wow!!

Mine was a 383.Worst part was tranny.Kept trashing them even after one of the best here rebuilt it.Stuck a standard behind it and blew like 4 trannys.Went back to auto.Sadly the rust free body with car running went to scrap for 35 bucks.Rocky

Cab,I have owned three long ram cars from that era a 60 and two 61's including this one after Bud Faubel sold it and I believe 99 % of what you post but I would have to see that with my own eyes !

They were not factory in 1959. Every 300-E had in-line dual fours. It's very possible that the parts were swapped when they became available.

Here's a stock 1960 300F engine. These were the first production line Long Ram engines. As a rare option you could order Short Rams on these in 1960, I've only seen one and it happened to be a factory 4 speed convertible. I have not seen the documentation but it is said to be legit. The Ram intakes used two designs to heat the carburetors, one version used hot water, and the other used hot air.

Short Rams on a 1960 300F. This engine has had some chromed parts added.

This is what most people usually see at swap meets, just the bare tubes.

But this is what you should really be shopping for, the entire system.

And these exhaust manifolds if it's a Short Ram setup

I put a pair of longrams on a 496" stroker in my '60 NewYorker.
The engine made this car feel nimble like it just weighs 3000lbs instead of 4500 lbs.

Were't all the "pont a mousson" manual transmission letter cars also equipped with the short rams?

Yes. Seven hardtops, all built for the 1960 Daytona Speed Weeks (Andy Granatelli built one or two with superchargers). The convertible was a special order for a wealthy, connected buyer. The car was not supposed to have been built.

What is this " friend of my wife's husband" ?? I need an explanation of this please?? LMAO

Did they ever make these intakes in a Max wedge port size ?

How about this one?

my interest is for accuracy in 1/25th scale. such as years and model applications. As an example. I know they were avail on 1960-61 300s but were they also avail on 1962 300s , how about 63 or 64s ?
Were they also avail on New Yorkers or Newports for example.
what about a 1960 Fury?

What color was the engine, the intakes, the air cleaners ( different for short ram versus long ram?)

No, but I have seen some welded up to fit MW ports, in fact I had a set (the orange ones in my pic of six sets stacked together)

Other than the 60 300F's that had the Short Rams all 60-61 Ram cars (361,383,413) had Long Rams. Engine color and air cleaner colors varied with the make, Chrysler, Desoto, Dodge, etc. all had different color combo's on the engines.

1962 was the odd year where inline dual 4's were the standard equipment on the letter 300's, Long Rams were said to be an option but I've never seen a documented example. They probably built a few but who knows?

Short Rams became standard equipment on Ram equipped 1963 300J cars and 1964 300K cars (all 63 & 64 cars were Short Ram 413's). All 63/64 Short Ram 413's were painted blue with red air cleaners.

Thank you for the response!!!!

Stock 1963 300J Short Ram engine showing correct colors.

February 1962 Hot Rod magazine confirms that the short rams were available on a 405hp 413. They also stated that Chrysler would "try to talk anybody out of ordering one." So, who knows, maybe some were built.

Mark Wilson used to have a set of long rams on a 440 in a D350 dually that he towed his A/SA '64 Max Wedge Dodge with. Not sure if they were the 15" or 30" versions.

I believe Al Wilson's N/SS 60 Plymouth 4 door competes with short rams. It was the number one qualifier in N/SS out of 61 cars yesterday at NMCA/Indy 12.000
Doug

pretty sure ray brock raced a 300H.

how much higher in the rpm scale do the short rams work, and is it possible to "shorten" the divider in the long rams ? my intakes are from a 300F, and i have every part except the carbs and air cleaners. i certainly won't be using any of the exhaust parts, and the intakes have a couple of issues. one, the 4 hole dividers have been hacked out, and two, the exhaust heater chambers have several pin holes. my thoughts for this engine were to use a pair of thermoquads, and build for maximum torque, letting horse power fall where ever it ends up being. but it would still be nice to crank around 5800-6000. i haven't decided on a cubic inch total, nor on a 400 or 440 base block. thoughts ?

I have a nice set, with only the linkage. There is info on converting 30's to 15". I plan on taking this route, and convert to port EFI, which if one doesn't care much about the finished look, is really the only current practical solution today. OEM, they are not user friendly, based my experience in HS with our 300F, but Dad owned a gas station, and 8mpg was not an issue.

In my combination of a stroker 440, I just don't see me expecting much past 4800rpm, before it starves for air. The stock LR ports are smallish IMO.

Peak torque was Roughly 1,000 rpm higher with the Short Rams. Yes you can modify the Long Rams into Short Rams but it requires pretty substantial cutting and welding. The Orange set in the pic I posted (shows 4 sets together) was one such set, you can see the bare polished aluminum areas that were modified and cleaned up. This is the same set after being painted blue.

A pair of Thermo-quads should work great on Ram tubes

2000cfm

well, not really. i'm figuring on 2 800 cfm's - the small, 1 3/8" primary carbs. but i also am contemplating something along the line of a couple of plates sandwiched between the intakes and the cylinder heads utilizing port injectors. i don't know if that makes sense, or just utilize throttle body units instead of carbs.
scott, do you have a bigger pic of the conversion modifications ? i realize the amount of cutting and welding involved may be quite the deal, but i have a young buck that is getting pretty good at the tig process, and he is chomping at the bit for me to get this humpback going. [along with MANY others ! ] this is a bucket list deal, and i'll probably just ending up getting this done for a future "care taker", but i sure would like this thing to at least power me around the block one time.......

TBI's on longrams serve no real purpose as there's still the issue of fuel falling out of suspension on its way to the cylinders.

Port injection is the way to go, or use a gaseous fuel like propane.

This works!

One of the girls my wife ran around with in high school(29 Palms, CA) befreinded the older couple who owned the garage and storage yard, she married a Marine after high school and ended up later inheriting all the old cuoples propertys and belongings She ended up gaiving him that car He didn't do anything with it and sold it several years back after it being stored in 29 Palms ,CA since 1961 or so

Interesting, two things come to mind, would have thought a slightly steeper injector angle would have been the goal, and do injectors like being fed from a long narrow supply line, and not a large nearby common fuel rail which is the norm nowadays? My EFI solution was leaning towards 4 duplex fuel rails.

On the ram shortening trick, any reason that its cut from the top vs the bottom, if one say wanted "stealth" short rams? Additionally I was thinking it would be easy when cutting/welding this much of an alum curved tube, that warpage could enter the picture. My thinking was a robust steel jig trapping and tying together the old carb mounting surface to intake manifold surface before the first cut all the way thru till final welding. Just thinking out loud.

pretty good ideas to consider. i realize "original" parts should be possibly left original, but when you have hacked up items, nothing wrong, in my opinion, with trying to optimize or make operational someone else's butchery. the setup i now possess was passed around back in the day to a bunch of my buddys who tried to get these things to work as good as they did on my buddy's 300F.[he was the original owner of the 300F] at the last attempt, this setup was installed in a 65 barracuda. yes, there was a bunch of butchery involved. and those buddys tried all kinds of carbs using adapters, so i think that's where the plenums got cut up and the original carbs got lost. after that, the setup was returned to the original owner. one christmas eve around 1987 or so, i got a knock on the door. there was a box of "junk" on the doorstep with a note saying i was the only [insert bad word here] stupid enough to want to store this "junk" but with only one stipulation. i gotta use it on my humpback. so here we are.......[the owner and i are still very good friends and he has moved on to studebakers and packards with factory blowers, as well as big block elcaminos, corvetts, and impalas] he still bugs me about "storing" an airco brand mig welder that has some issues but is the same brand and model as the one i have and use frequently.

Long ram fresh air hood scoops do not lend themselves to conventional solutions, mine in HS 1969.