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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2094884
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Trendz.... another question... on the Summit site the
part number for the O2 says its a 4 wire...same part
number as mine.... but mine has 5 wires... I dont want
to order the wrong one at $150 each.... is this one at
Summit correct...one thing it does say is Commander..
it does say replacement sensor for 534-198(which is my
number... even has the same P/N on the sensor itself)..
but I just find it strange about the 4 wire and 5 wire
thanks
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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2094889
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i was under the impression that o2 sensors now days are heated ones, and they were all standardized with 4 wires ? well, up to 08 or so anyway. what would the 5th wire do ?
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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: moparx] #2094897
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Originally Posted By moparx
i was under the impression that o2 sensors now days are heated ones, and they were all standardized with 4 wires ? well, up to 08 or so anyway. what would the 5th wire do ?
beer


No clue... when I worked with O2s they were 1 wire, 3
wires then 4 wires... but this has a total of 7 wires
but 2 brown wires are jumped together... the other 5
are(what I will call.. live)... I will look today to
see if all 5 go into the O2 itself... like you say all
I've seen for a long time are 4 wires(heated)
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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2095135
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If it was pumping fuel out of the tail pipe, are you sure its not a stuck open injector? I would bench test them.


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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2095165
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A typical Wideband O2 is more than 4 wires. A normal narrow band O2 is 4 wires or less.

Dumb question, but in the Holley software can you datalog at all? If yes I would want to see what the O2 signal looked like before buying a new sensor. You may be trying to learn at engine speeds and loads that don't give adequate signal to the wideband so the adaptive feature can't figure out what to do.

As Trendz mentioned, incomplete combustion or misfires show up as lean, so it's going to keep adding fuel trying to chase it.


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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: Blusmbl] #2095180
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I talked to Holley today and yes a bad O2 will drive
it fat.. I have one coming tomorrow I hope.. plus now I
one have the learn mode on... I cleared the one fuel
table and its running SLIGHTLY better.. but I dont get
any fuel change on the learn table... also I dont know
if it matters but I have 1 O2 on the right bank and the
left bank was turned on..right side wasnt.. the holley
guy didnt think it mattered but I swapped it over..
it automatically turns on the left side
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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2095899
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I put in the new O2... things are doing pretty good..
but I have a question... every time I try to close the
first screen(where it compares (with the little green
lights).. it times out and I cant close it...I try to
get to other screens and that first one wont let me...
it should say OK at the bottom...but a box pops up that
says it might mess up something or it says cancel... if
I say cancel the same screen stays there....its doing real
good with the new O2 and the learn turned on... it doesnt
want to drop down to idle(1000 rpm).. tries to stay at 1300
rpm..... any help guys on that first page...(global)
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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2095931
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To get your laptop in sync with the ecu you'll select get from ecu.

* Open your saved global folder on your laptop.
* Turn ignition on with the USB cable connected.
* Mouse-click on the “Online” button.
* A “sync” will be performed. If the Global Folder in the ECU is different than what is on the laptop (and it will be), you will be prompted to “Get from ECU” or “Send to ECU”. Select “Get from ECU”. The laptop will now be in sync with the ECU.


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Originally Posted By Mopar_Rich
To get your laptop in sync with the ecu you'll selet get from ecu.


How do you get that page to close... cant do anything
till that page closes.. I did get it to say OK once
and I was watching the gauge page for the O2 change..
and one other question... do you select from the ECU
first to save it to the computer or to the ECU first
thanks Rich

Back to the first part..every time I go on line that
screen pops up
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"Get from ECU" means "getting" the program that's in the ECU to your laptop. You only would chose "Send to ECU" if you had made changes offline, and then want to upload those changes to the ECU. You won't be doing that.

When you click the “USB Link” and are online (Button will say online), a screen should appear that compares the files in the ECU with the file in your laptop. They will not be the same because the ECU has learned. You want to click the "Get from ECU” button at the bottom of this screen. This will send the ECU program to your laptop.


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Originally Posted By Mopar_Rich
"Get from ECU" means "getting" the program that's in the ECU to your laptop. You only would chose "Send to ECU" if you had made changes offline, and then want to upload those changes to the ECU. You won't be doing that.

When you click the “USB Link” and are online (Button will say online), a screen should appear that compares the files in the ECU with the file in your laptop. They will not be the same because the ECU has learned. You want to click the "Get from ECU” button at the bottom of this screen. This will send the ECU program to your laptop.



Ok Rich..I will try that tomorrow... its running
90% better now with the new O2 and the learn stage
on... the idle seems high yet but I'm hoping that if
it learns more the idle will come back down...its about
1200-1300 when it should be 1000.. but it does seem to
be dropping slowly..... thanks
Edit
almost all the time that screen thats comparing...
it times out... thats when I get that small
might mess up box...the (I forget) but something.. I
have a choice.. yes or cancel..cancel does nothing but
keep the compare screen open

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Re: I Want To Give A BIG THANKS To Mopar Rich [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2096006
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Does your laptop have a native serial port? I have had similar problems with one of my laptops with an actual serial port. Had to manually configure the usb link/com port protocol. My laptop with usb only has never had that issue.
Was informed on the holley help forums that reloading the software with the holley usb connected seems to fix most com issues.
If you continue to have issues, I suggest completely removing the holley software, and the piggy backed usb/ com software. Then load the newest software and firmware from the holley website (v4).
Reload with the usb connected.

High idle speed... see what the idle motor count is. should be below 15. TPS should be "0" If idle count is lower, say "0" and idle is still high, close the throttle plate with the screw and then do tps reset.
If its higher than 15 there are more things to check. call me if you get stuck.


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Closed loop idle has whats been whooping my tail on my MS3X. When it works it works great but It won't always fall into closed loop.


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Originally Posted By TRENDZ
Does your laptop have a native serial port? I have had similar problems with one of my laptops with an actual serial port. Had to manually configure the usb link/com port protocol. My laptop with usb only has never had that issue.
Was informed on the holley help forums that reloading the software with the holley usb connected seems to fix most com issues.
If you continue to have issues, I suggest completely removing the holley software, and the piggy backed usb/ com software. Then load the newest software and firmware from the holley website (v4).
Reload with the usb connected.

High idle speed... see what the idle motor count is. should be below 15. TPS should be "0" If idle count is lower, say "0" and idle is still high, close the throttle plate with the screw and then do tps reset.
If its higher than 15 there are more things to check. call me if you get stuck.


Do you have a direct link for the V4 you can post... I see where
some guys are posting it but I dont want to get a corrupted
file
thanks for the help
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All the Holley software can be accessed here:
https://www.holley.com/support/resources/#Fuel_Injection

Sounds like your laptop may have a corrupted software installation. You should first save your current global folder somewhere so it won't be touched. Then completely uninstall the Holley software using the "Control Panel", and remove the Holley folder from "My Documents", and the Holley folder on the "C:Drive" (Program Files, Holley folder). Then install from a fresh download.

If you choose to upgrade to V4 you should also read the V4 Overview.

IDLE RPM: As TRENDZ said you have to go through the IAC setup procedure. Sounds like your mechanical throttle screw is holding open the plates. Remember you must do a TPS Autoset whenever you change the mechanical throttle settings.

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Originally Posted By Mopar_Rich
All the Holley software can be accessed here:
https://www.holley.com/support/resources/#Fuel_Injection

Sounds like your laptop may have a corrupted software installation. You should first save your current global folder somewhere so it won't be touched. Then completely uninstall the Holley software using the "Control Panel", and remove the Holley folder from "My Documents", and the Holley folder on the "C:Drive" (Program Files, Holley folder). Then install from a fresh download.

If you choose to upgrade to V4 you should also read the V4 Overview.

IDLE RPM: As TRENDZ said you have to go through the IAC setup procedure. Sounds like your mechanical throttle screw is holding open the plates. Remember you must do a TPS Autoset whenever you change the mechanical throttle settings.


I will move my one file and delete the holley file and install
the V4.... this use to idle right at 1000 rpm... when I first
started the learn mode it was down to 800 but I believe that
the engine was just that fat.. after reving it a few times and
the cloud came out of the pipes it started to lean out and the
revs picked up.... I forget where you do the IAC reset. but
I guess I can look it up in the help area... I'm getting a
little better at finding the different screens now that I
have been playing(no changing anything but just looking)..
by the way I pulled all of the V2 files straight from the disc
that came with the unit
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IAC vs throttle plate position adjustment:

Timing and idle AF must be correct first.
The IAC Position can be found on one of the screens in the data monitor (lower left area). You want the IAC position to be between 5 and 15%. If it is stuck at 0 (the idle RPM is probably above your target idle because too much air is going through the plates), you need to CLOSE the throttle plates until the IAC starts to open (5 to 15%). If the AC position is above 15%, more air than is necessary is being fed through the IAC, so you need to OPEN the throttle plates to adjust.

You must then do TPS Autoset after mechanical throttle changes.

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Originally Posted By Mopar_Rich
IAC vs throttle plate position adjustment:

Timing and idle AF must be correct first.
The IAC Position can be found on one of the screens in the data monitor (lower left area). You want the IAC position to be between 5 and 15%. If it is stuck at 0 (the idle RPM is probably above your target idle because too much air is going through the plates), you need to CLOSE the throttle plates until the IAC starts to open (5 to 15%). If the AC position is above 15%, more air than is necessary is being fed through the IAC, so you need to OPEN the throttle plates to adjust.

You must then do TPS Autoset after mechanical throttle changes.


Yeah I just got done reading that in the help area
thanks... I'll be going out shortly to give it a go
and see what happens... when I come back in I will see
if I can get the V4 down loaded in my computer... I see
that there is a software and hardware parts of this
thanks
EDIT
when I'm out in the shop or even in front of it I cant
get any computer(the system wont go that far(router)

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Originally Posted By Mopar_Rich
IAC vs throttle plate position adjustment:

Timing and idle AF must be correct first.
The IAC Position can be found on one of the screens in the data monitor (lower left area). You want the IAC position to be between 5 and 15%. If it is stuck at 0 (the idle RPM is probably above your target idle because too much air is going through the plates), you need to CLOSE the throttle plates until the IAC starts to open (5 to 15%). If the AC position is above 15%, more air than is necessary is being fed through the IAC, so you need to OPEN the throttle plates to adjust.

You must then do TPS Autoset after mechanical throttle changes.


Yeah had to reset the IAC .. was at 0.. got the blades set
so its at about 9 now then reset the TPS... all done.. idles
right at 1000 rpm.. thanks guys... getting use to the different
screens now and what to save up reading the help section
sure helps a lot also
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Mike if you have a smartphone with a data plan, just activate the hotspot in it and connect your laptop via wifi to it when you're out of range from the house.

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