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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/02/16 03:37 AM
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If it bent a pushrod again you really need to figure out why it has developed such an appetite.
The quick fix could be relatively inexpensive.
However, when we get to the bottom end banging, you're talking pulling the engine and going for either a rebuild or replacement. Figure a couple grand to be a starting point and add labor. Assuming it's the bottom what price range would be considered cheap to medium for just the labor? If I buy one of the 440 source stroker kits would that cover the parts except for heads and cam? Could I reuse my stock heads?
1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 automatic transmission. Curb weight: 3800 lbs. All stock so far.
Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/02/16 11:16 AM
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First off stop starting the engine!!!! something is really wrong inside. Is there a car club in your area that may have someone that knows MOPAR engines? Not just a Ford or Chevy guy who could check out your engine or point you in the right direction of who to contact. I have seen more than one engine ruined because someone put the rocker shafts on upside down. This could be a easy fix or a major one. If a total rebuild is required it will cost thousands. First thing I would do is pull the valve covers to see if the oil holes are visible on the rocker shafts , if they are, your passed mechanic screwed you over. If they are take pictures . Then call the mechanic. Then a lawyer.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/03/16 03:52 AM
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First off stop starting the engine!!!! something is really wrong inside. Is there a car club in your area that may have someone that knows MOPAR engines? Not just a Ford or Chevy guy who could check out your engine or point you in the right direction of who to contact. I have seen more than one engine ruined because someone put the rocker shafts on upside down. This could be a easy fix or a major one. If a total rebuild is required it will cost thousands. First thing I would do is pull the valve covers to see if the oil holes are visible on the rocker shafts , if they are, your passed mechanic screwed you over. If they are take pictures . Then call the mechanic. Then a lawyer. Just want to make sure i understand this right, the oil holes on the rocker shafts should be pointing down towards the ground. If i can see them pointing upwards the rocker shaft have been installed wrong. I'm getting an engine guy to look at it on saturday,I'll video when the valve covers come off.
1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 automatic transmission. Curb weight: 3800 lbs. All stock so far.
Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/03/16 12:47 PM
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First off stop starting the engine!!!! something is really wrong inside. Is there a car club in your area that may have someone that knows MOPAR engines? Not just a Ford or Chevy guy who could check out your engine or point you in the right direction of who to contact. I have seen more than one engine ruined because someone put the rocker shafts on upside down. This could be a easy fix or a major one. If a total rebuild is required it will cost thousands. First thing I would do is pull the valve covers to see if the oil holes are visible on the rocker shafts , if they are, your passed mechanic screwed you over. If they are take pictures . Then call the mechanic. Then a lawyer. Just want to make sure i understand this right, the oil holes on the rocker shafts should be pointing down towards the ground. If i can see them pointing upwards the rocker shaft have been installed wrong. I'm getting an engine guy to look at it on saturday,I'll video when the valve covers come off. YES - if they pointed upwards, instead of down into the rocker, there would be no back pressure so the oil would just lubricate the bottom of the valve cover and you would have bad oil pressure.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/03/16 10:40 PM
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First off stop starting the engine!!!! something is really wrong inside. Is there a car club in your area that may have someone that knows MOPAR engines? Not just a Ford or Chevy guy who could check out your engine or point you in the right direction of who to contact. I have seen more than one engine ruined because someone put the rocker shafts on upside down. This could be a easy fix or a major one. If a total rebuild is required it will cost thousands. First thing I would do is pull the valve covers to see if the oil holes are visible on the rocker shafts , if they are, your passed mechanic screwed you over. If they are take pictures . Then call the mechanic. Then a lawyer. Just want to make sure i understand this right, the oil holes on the rocker shafts should be pointing down towards the ground. If i can see them pointing upwards the rocker shaft have been installed wrong. I'm getting an engine guy to look at it on saturday,I'll video when the valve covers come off. YES - if they pointed upwards, instead of down into the rocker, there would be no back pressure so the oil would just lubricate the bottom of the valve cover and you would have bad oil pressure. That is correct , just lubing the valve covers. This might be the problem with push rods also. The bottom of the rockers not getting lubricated and probably galling/weldng themselves to the rocker shaft.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/03/16 11:26 PM
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I saw the pushrods he changed a few month ago, they were bent pretty bad about a 45 degree angle. The car had been sitting a long time before the repair maybe 4-5 years. The pushrods most likely got bent after driving the car after those 4-5 years
Last edited by xyxxjx; 06/03/16 11:33 PM.
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Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/04/16 12:17 AM
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I'm looking to hire someone in the Los Angeles area to get my 73 charger running again. It sounded like something locked up in the engine. I feel it is connected to the knocking sound in the attached video clip. The clip was recorded 5 minutes before it "locked up". The sound had gotten worse over the last week or so before the incident. http://sendvid.com/vsf86p2r Not sure where yo live in the la area but CPW Chrysler Performance West the large Mopar club in the valley has several members that may be able to help
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/04/16 01:55 AM
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I'm looking to hire someone in the Los Angeles area to get my 73 charger running again. It sounded like something locked up in the engine. I feel it is connected to the knocking sound in the attached video clip. The clip was recorded 5 minutes before it "locked up". The sound had gotten worse over the last week or so before the incident. http://sendvid.com/vsf86p2r Not sure where yo live in the la area but CPW Chrysler Performance West the large Mopar club in the valley has several members that may be able to help Thanks I'll look them up.
1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 automatic transmission. Curb weight: 3800 lbs. All stock so far.
Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/09/16 03:21 AM
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Good news, it looks like it just needs a valve job the push rods had been bent again. The guy who's working on it says it's because it's been sitting for along time so varnish have built up. Also the valve guides need to be bored and he'll take a look at the oil pump. What could I expect to pay for a job like this?
1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 automatic transmission. Curb weight: 3800 lbs. All stock so far.
Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
Don't protect a feminist when the collapse comes!
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/09/16 08:57 AM
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Anyone ever think the chain could have jumped, if it's still running the stock nylon gear that is? That would certainly bend many pushrods and valves
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/09/16 05:17 PM
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For pushrods to bend it requires the valves stop moving ...
valves hitting pistons, if this is the case there will be witness marks in the piston from the contact.
Pushrods don't bend because an engine has been sitting for a long period of time unless something is really rusted/bound up ....
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/09/16 07:12 PM
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See if the guy (or someone you know) has a borescope. You can run the little camera head down the spark plug holes and look for damage without pulling the heads.
If there are little half circle imprints on the pistons then it's time to do some serious engine work.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/09/16 08:40 PM
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I have seen many Slants bend pushrods after sitting a long time, but once you whack the valve stem and break it loose they run fine.
If this thing has done it twice, something else is going on. I vote for a complete teardown to see what all is going on.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/09/16 08:53 PM
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The heads are already off. I talked to him yesterday he said there was no damage to the pistons and the timing chain look ok.
1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 automatic transmission. Curb weight: 3800 lbs. All stock so far.
Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/09/16 09:00 PM
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Still sounds like a rod knock to me. How was the oil pressure? Collapsed lifters will kick out pushrods too.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/10/16 12:32 AM
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If he has the timing chain cover off , replace the gears and chain, Did you check the rocker shafts for the oil holes being down? I myself don't think that a engine setting 5 or more years would have stuck valves unless it was under water. You have other problems maybe starting with your mechanic.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/10/16 01:18 AM
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Anyone ever think the chain could have jumped, if it's still running the stock nylon gear that is? That would certainly bend many pushrods and valves Nylon gear, sounds pretty fragile. Where exactly is this gear located is it the gear driving the dist?
1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 automatic transmission. Curb weight: 3800 lbs. All stock so far.
Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
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Re: Car broke, want to hire someone in the Los Angeles area
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06/10/16 01:47 AM
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gear driving the distributer is the intermediate shaft (which drives the oil pump also), which runs off the camshaft, which is connected to the nylon tooth cam gear which is connected via a linked chain to the crank gear.
IOW it's behind the timing cover which is behind the water pump.
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