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increased rocker ratio
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01/30/09 12:20 AM
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For kicks I had my heads (906) flowed and they came in better than I expected-260@.500, 265@.600, 268@.700. My cam is a solid .543/.529 lift and 253/256 duration @ 50. This is on a 451 (400) running a tunnel ram. Will there be an advantage to moving my rocker ratio to a 1.6 or even a 1.7? The car runs very well now (10.90 @ 3200lbs) and part of me wants to leave it alone. But if could pick up a tenth or two for less than $300 that seems like a good thing.
'75 Plymouth Duster Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126 Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135 Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119
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Re: increased rocker ratio
[Re: clovis]
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01/30/09 12:26 AM
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From your flow numbers the 1.6 or 1.7 would help you out but I dont know about $300... all you have to do is the intake rockers
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Re: increased rocker ratio
[Re: AndyF]
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01/30/09 12:39 AM
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So do I only need to look at changing out the intake and leave the exhaust alone? I can't tell if that is what you are saying or if you are poking fun at my $300 rockers(which is not a problem as I am cheap). I was just thinking about using a set from 440source. Which ratio would put the motor in the best overall condition from power and reliability? It is really a very mild build as I am shifting at 5800.
'75 Plymouth Duster Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126 Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135 Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119
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Re: increased rocker ratio
[Re: clovis]
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01/30/09 01:12 AM
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It will help you make some more power with the increase in rocker ratio. You will only need to install the intake rockers..... if you have the valve to piston clearance... the 1.6 will give you a lift of .579 the 1.7 will give you .615 lift you should check the springs for the added lift
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Re: increased rocker ratio
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01/30/09 08:17 PM
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... But if could pick up a tenth or two...
You might see a tenth, but even that's very combination dependent. I don't think the odds of seeing more than that are likely.
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Re: increased rocker ratio
[Re: BradH]
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01/30/09 10:42 PM
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I guess that is some of the information I am looking for--what in the combination makes the ratio increase work better in some situations vs. another. It seemed reasonable to me that my smaller cam may response better especially seeing the heads are willing and able, however there is always a point of diminishing returns, which is why I was asking about the 1.7s. Like I said, I feel like the combo currently works very well for what it is.
I actually need to be spending my time working on the suspension, as the car traps at over 124, but has a hard time breaking a 1.60 60 ft. However, I will have to wait on the weather to tackle that one, so for now I am left to contemplate rocker ratios.
'75 Plymouth Duster Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126 Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135 Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119
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Re: increased rocker ratio
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01/31/09 11:01 AM
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what in the combination makes the ratio increase work better in some situations vs. another
Always helps if the cam is too mild, or the lobe centers are too wide. Reason #1 why "sometimes they don't work": the overlap is already about optimum, and more = worse.
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Re: increased rocker ratio
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01/31/09 12:21 PM
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Could be lots of things make them work or not work. Mabey they increase power but the rest of the combo is already over taxed. Also could be a valve spring loseing control of the valve. Mabey the cam is just plain too big already and extra lift won't increase cylinder filling. Might be a too narrow of LSA and it could make for excesive overlap and dilution of the A/F mix. Probably a hundred other things that could make a differance.
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Re: increased rocker ratio
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01/31/09 02:28 PM
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With all the factors involved, it seems like Andy may have summed it up best- sometimes you just have to experiment. Like I said I am pretty tight when it comes to turning loose money, so I do try to research as much as possible to ensure that I am not sowing in a place that will yield no fruit. Thanks for all the input, but I guess it does seem like that it would at least be worth a try in my situation.
Anyone have any 1.6 Crane ductile rockers laying around?
'75 Plymouth Duster Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126 Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135 Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"
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