Yes, all the fiberglass hoods were Made in Canada.
I have been told, Collins & Aikman was the
company name that was mentioned.

They all originally were stenciled underside, Made in Canada.

It has come to my attention that my comments here have upset some in the "hobby".If anything here has been mistated I will post a retraction.100% of my posts concerning the 70 Hemi fenders are direct comment from me,the other person who did the fenders and his brother who fabricated the tooling used to do the work (20+ year Creative employee).They are 100% firsthand.Please note that they along with another brother and a very close friend (40+ yrs) all worked at the other Creative facility and worked on the following projects, Daytona's,Superbirds and A-12's.

Odd that anyone would be upset. Some of the details on these cars are extremely hard to find 40 years later.

Some things are not meshing together, but hopefully we can figure them out with time.

That said, I did some more digging. I have more questions than answers at this point.

New wider oval 15-inch 60 series tires are standard with 340 and 426 engines;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1970/70_Challenger0005.jpg


A66 cars show the std. wheel lip moldings are deleted;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1970/70_Challenger0024.jpg

Same tires, so why mention the moldings being deleted only on the 340 cars if they intended to leave them off the 426 cars too?


From the 1970 Hemi Challenger broadcast sheets I have here, those with scheduled production dates Dec. 16 & before are coded for the wheel lip moldings. Those with scheduled production dates from March fifth up are not, no code at all.

Some AARs are coded M27 - Wheel lip molding delete. So, if the 1970 Hemi Challengers were meant to have the standard wheel lip moldings deleted, why did they not use the same code?

If anyone has a broadcast sheet for a 1970 Hemi Challenger between the scheduled production dates of C16 & 305 please send me a scan or copy?

Or if you have one not consistent with my findings in those date ranges?

I do love a good mystery.

I agree - great thread - keep the info flowing!!

A66 Challengers recieved E60-15 Polyglas GT tires STANDARD (* early A66 production)
HEMI Challenger R/Ts recieved F60-15 Polyglas GT tires STANDARD

I'd WAG the "delete" wheel lip mouldings was a cost cutting tactic for the A66 package.
Delete the wheel lip mouldings & give the cars a "performance" hood?

Mike, how early in the model year did Creative start modifying HEMI 'Cuda & Challenger R/T fenders?

When did they stop?

HEMI R/T SPD-817 YES wheel lips on b'cast
HEMI R/T SPD-A27 YES wheel lips on b'cast
HEMI R/T SPD-121 no wheel lips on b'cast
HEMI R/T SPD-512 no wheel lips on b'cast

Hey Dan, since you are our resident 'tire guy' do you know the actual inflated dimensions of an A66 tire (U82) vs. the U84 dimensions on the Hemi cars?

I dug up some scans that came from Dean Herron for my webmaster to post on HH. They mention Creative designing the T/A hood as well as proposed T/A tire sizes / fender mods & then being cancelled later when they went to the mis-matched tire sizes.

I'll post links to the pages once Mike has them loaded up.

"I love a good mystery"

lol Barry... I was thinking the same thing!

One question I have (not doubting anything said, just asking)...
Why didn't they setup to do the fender mods in the factory metal shop before painting and installing w/o mouldings?
Odd from a production standpoint...
1. Extra handling of the cars to transport them for mods.
2. Wasted labor & parts installing mouldings, then removing them.
3. Paint damage to fenders.
4. Extra holes left in quarter lips with added rust potential from broken paint.

Rick

I have heard two versions of the Creative wheel lip mods now. The other source said Creative designed the tool for the factory to use to modify the fenders.

Normally, if a car was shipped out to an outside vendor, the route code & / or Y codes would reflect it in some way. I need to dig out the invoices / window sticker copies I have & check the route codes / pricing next. Hopefully a clue or two pops up.......

Two 4/14/70 Chrysler 15x7.0" "rallye wheels" w/E60-15 & F60-15 tires.

F60-15 (1972 tire) - 81.75" 82.53" circumference (= 26.02" 26.27" diameter) & 8.00" 8.25" wide tread
E60-15 (1974 tire) - 80.25" 82.00" circumference (= 25.54" 26.10" diameter) & 7.63" 7.50" wide tread

Both are used and worn, I wanted to put both tires at same pressure but no tire gauge to be found.
& only half the width difference (3/16") would be toward the fender.

dimensions in RED from KELSEY TIRE's web site

Awesome!

How about overall height?

F60-15 - 26.02" height (not loaded)
E60-15 - 25.54" height (not loaded)

Here is the page from the May 70 version of the 1970 parts book.
Shows different B and J with and without 15 inch wheel.
But, 6.00 X 15 Tires means ?

Bob

Your source is incorrect.Creative did not make a tool for Chry.They did fab the tools for us.Chry did not hand modify any Hemi fenders.They restamped the fenders with the problem area removed.Availablity of the new fenders seems to coinside with the March 5 cut off date for the moldings.Only those later cars have the second tag.

We begin work the last week of Sept 69 and finished about March 1st 70 (see March 5).We did 10-15 cars per day at least.The Creative lot was full of cars (100+ or more) when we started as was the area where we did the work.(about 18 cars)We did have weeks where we did other work including the holidays.Maximum of 5 weeks total.Those numbers prove only a very small amount of cars got out witout the mods.

If anyone recalls the model year and new car roll out started about the second week of Sept in those days.There is another issue.We changed the wheels and tires on many many cars.I beleive it was the Magnum 500 wheels that were not available when the cars were built.Possible it was the tires or both.Due the that issue and the original reason for the mods we think the cars were held back.It is entirely possibly that a small number were shipped out mistakenly.There are examples of unmolested cars with no fender mods.So far they seem to be Cudas that were wheel lip delete.We did modify other Cudas w/lip mouldings delete but it was rare for a Cuda.

This was a late change and they were in a hurry.I hope to find some paperwork but I doubt I will be able to access the archives since Creative was sold.

Hope this helps.

Mike loaded the pages from Dean. 3 Related snips from http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipLetters/action%20letter2-2.jpg ;

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3

From http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipLetters/action%20letter%202.jpg - note 5B & 5;

That data relates to the trans am cars only, but it is cool to see the progression of how they dealt with the tire / fender problem on Challengers by changing the front tire size.