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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: mickm] #2035127
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the magic trick is that you can't "see" the rotor move with the timing light

since the mech adv can't possibly physically move the cap the rotor/reluctor have to move to change the timing...the msd link states it and shows it, the distributor machine will show it too. but the timing light probably doens't show it and that's gonna be the point RR sticks too...

Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: krautrock] #2035129
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Originally Posted By krautrock
the magic trick is that you can't "see" the rotor move with the timing light

since the mech adv can't possibly physically move the cap the rotor/reluctor have to move to change the timing...the msd link states it and shows it, the distributor machine will show it too. but the timing light probably doens't show it and that's gonna be the point RR sticks too...


Put a dial back timing light on it
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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: mickm] #2035189
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" This was never about money, rather i have an active distaste for misinformation being spread."

This sentence will make the win all that much sweeter....


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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: krautrock] #2035220
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Originally Posted By krautrock
the magic trick is that you can't "see" the rotor move with the timing light

since the mech adv can't possibly physically move the cap the rotor/reluctor have to move to change the timing...the msd link states it and shows it, the distributor machine will show it too. but the timing light probably doens't show it and that's gonna be the point RR sticks too...


I agree 100%... we know it moves but the light
will say different since it flashes in sinc with
the terminal(the light is on the plug wire).. but
no ones wants to believe that video.. but it clearly
shows it
EDIT
Thats why we used a strobe light to see the rotor
and to see the rpm when it started to move and the
top rpm when the mech was at full advance.. thats
how we set up the springs and weight amounts back
when I tested that junk
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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2035228
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The new vid will show the rotor at the terminal as you state because it fires when its in sync, advanced or not. But the base of the distributer machine should show advance on its measured 360 timing display.

The Vid that shows All the movement was {intentionally manipulated} to Show phase movement. It wasn't moved by any mechanical advance. It was moved for intensive purposes of the vid. It wouldn't of moved otherwise.

In the new vid if the rotor doesn't move from the terminal, and it wont. Whats it going to take to prove it. Would the display advance on the 360 degree panel be enough. Or will we all be just fooled by some type of magical event. shruggy

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Thats why way back then we used the strobe to
see the position... we didnt care when it fired
we were setting up the advancement(springs and
weights).. that was about 40 years ago for me
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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: TRENDZ] #2035297
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Originally Posted By TRENDZ
" This was never about money, rather i have an active distaste for misinformation being spread."

This sentence will make the win all that much sweeter....


It has been sweet already from the winning side.


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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: Sport440] #2035298
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Originally Posted By Sport440
The new vid will show the rotor at the terminal as you state because it fires when its in sync, advanced or not. But the base of the distributer machine should show advance on its measured 360 timing display.

The Vid that shows All the movement was {intentionally manipulated} to Show phase movement. It wasn't moved by any mechanical advance. It was moved for intensive purposes of the vid. It wouldn't of moved otherwise.

In the new vid if the rotor doesn't move from the terminal, and it wont. Whats it going to take to prove it. Would the display advance on the 360 degree panel be enough. Or will we all be just fooled by some type of magical event. shruggy



Did you watch the video? At all? Watch it again and see the result after he reworks the phasing. Plain as day it moves as advance takes place.


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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: TRENDZ] #2035302
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Originally Posted By TRENDZ
Gambling over state lines? Well, technically it's not gambling if its a sure thing... more like paying your tuition. grin
Seriously though, put a little thought into it. You don't have to bet on a losing hand.
For those that can accept it, here is a neat video on the purposes of needing rotor phasing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWMlNwGW0tM



Start watching at 2 minute mark. Shows the advance in action several times after rotor phase being set properly.

Sweetest thing is trendy posted the video and has popped off smugly several times since. Lmao.


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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: SomeCarGuy] #2035330
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Exactly! I posted the wrong info, then linked a video, then thought about it. I came back, tail between my legs, admitted I was wrong, payed up, then defended the correct information.
Admitting I was wrong REALLY was hard for me. Especially after acting as I did. I almost deleted my posts, but thought it better to just come clean. Hopefully you will be able to do the same!
I hold no grudge. Like you, I was ABSOLUTELY SURE I was right until I proved myself wrong.

I think the video that I post on Monday will convince you. Really.
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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: SomeCarGuy] #2035381
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Originally Posted By SomeCarGuy
Originally Posted By TRENDZ
Gambling over state lines? Well, technically it's not gambling if its a sure thing... more like paying your tuition. grin
Seriously though, put a little thought into it. You don't have to bet on a losing hand.
For those that can accept it, here is a neat video on the purposes of needing rotor phasing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWMlNwGW0tM



Start watching at 2 minute mark. Shows the advance in action several times after rotor phase being set properly.



Yes. I watched that vid. Almost made me jump back to your winning side as you put it. Don't jump to conclusions from that vid.

Watch it again yourself and consider this. Listen to the rev of the distributer machine.

At 2.00 the rotor starts out at the Left, as it revs, moves to the Right. Mechanical advance right. But wait, as it continues to rev, the rotor sweeps back to the Left and then again to the Right. Then back to the left as the RPM slows again. Done by 2;14

Someone is Clearly just manipulating it and Showing a ideal rotor phase perimeter, As they were doing in that vid.

If it were just a mechanical advance it would of Stayed in its proper direction of sweep in its correct rpm range. Its not going to Sweep back and forth above the RPM the advance is already enacted.

Think about that and comment please up

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Think about this.... did it start moving.. period
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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: mickm] #2035391
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Not to mention the fact that there is a crank trigger mounted to it.

MSD rotor.jpg

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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Think about this.... did it start moving.. period
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Yes it did., But based on the movements, it appears its intentioned manipulated movements.

That Vid is Worthless for whats being argued here. It clearly shows a intentional movement of the rotor to show the point of proper phasing. You cant tie in its movements to a mechanical advancement. No way, no how. IMO, anyways. grin up


EDIT; I also know what Trendz video is going to show when he plays it. { A Stationary Rotor to its terminal.} And no I haven't seen it, haven't been told the results of it, don't even know if its been made yet. But, I know. up

Sorry to spoil the movie folks. fart

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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: mickm] #2035496
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someone tell me why it was they said in that MSD video that rotor phasing was so important...

what did they say the rotor did based on advance???

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Originally Posted By Sport440
Originally Posted By SomeCarGuy
Originally Posted By TRENDZ
Gambling over state lines? Well, technically it's not gambling if its a sure thing... more like paying your tuition. grin
Seriously though, put a little thought into it. You don't have to bet on a losing hand.
For those that can accept it, here is a neat video on the purposes of needing rotor phasing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWMlNwGW0tM



Start watching at 2 minute mark. Shows the advance in action several times after rotor phase being set properly.



Yes. I watched that vid. Almost made me jump back to your winning side as you put it. Don't jump to conclusions from that vid.

Watch it again yourself and consider this. Listen to the rev of the distributer machine.

At 2.00 the rotor starts out at the Left, as it revs, moves to the Right. Mechanical advance right. But wait, as it continues to rev, the rotor sweeps back to the Left and then again to the Right. Then back to the left as the RPM slows again. Done by 2;14

Someone is Clearly just manipulating it and Showing a ideal rotor phase perimeter, As they were doing in that vid.

If it were just a mechanical advance it would of Stayed in its proper direction of sweep in its correct rpm range. Its not going to Sweep back and forth above the RPM the advance is already enacted.

Think about that and comment please up


He talks about timing retards in your controls. Watch AND listen. This whole thing has gotten to epic proportions. I feel like this is a group "catfish" thing.

I dont know what rpms are in the video, its clear they change so take that into account, along with the idea a retard can be used.

Also most importantly- the damn rotor moves during operation. I suppose you all think it is just some loose parts msd cobbled together and that accounts for the movement.

I'll ask again; just why is the rotor moving? Think about it and comment back.


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Re: engine missing carbon scoring inside distributor cap [Re: mickm] #2035622
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OK I'll chime in....the timing advance is created when the RELUCTOR is made to rotate away from it's original relationship to the pickup. THAT is what initiates timing advance because now the trigger relationship has changed!

All the rotor does is transfer that change to the cap. The rotor moves but that is why you have a broad tip on the rotor, to transfer that advance from the reluctor/pickup without deteriorating the cap and rotor
due to excessive gap.

Are we done now????

Joe

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Originally Posted By jlatessa
OK I'll chime in....the timing advance is created when the RELUCTOR is made to rotate away from it's original relationship to the pickup. THAT is what initiates timing advance because now the trigger relationship has changed!

All the rotor does is transfer that change to the cap. The rotor moves but that is why you have a broad tip on the rotor, to transfer that advance from the reluctor/pickup without deteriorating the cap and rotor
due to excessive gap.

Are we done now????

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Originally Posted By jlatessa
OK I'll chime in....the timing advance is created when the RELUCTOR is made to rotate away from it's original relationship to the pickup. THAT is what initiates timing advance because now the trigger relationship has changed!

All the rotor does is transfer that change to the cap. The rotor moves but that is why you have a broad tip on the rotor, to transfer that advance from the reluctor/pickup without deteriorating the cap and rotor
due to excessive gap.

Are we done now????

Joe


Since the dedicated few have refused to read the material produced by a guy that has written tech for decades that says that very thing(even when edited down so it wont have extraneous info), refused to look at the related pics, and somehow misinterpreted the audio and video produced by the market share leading ignition company, PLUS having the same information restated numerous different ways by several people, I'll wager no.


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Somecarguy are you in for ten? Trendz should have the vid for us pretty soon


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