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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: D-50] #2031617
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Originally Posted By D-50
Just put a spool in it. I have driven a car with a spool or back in the old days welded spider gears for 1000's of miles on the street and never had any issue rain or shine.


See post above , year round driver and it gets driven during SNOW storms, a spool would be the best option if he went with a 9" instead of the 8.8 when I talked him into buying a spare rear for the car for just this reason, he hurts them somewhat yearly and clutch types required yearly rebuilds ...

He had a spool in a previous car , but that was a restricted use car that was driven sparingly on the street.


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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2031683
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I'm reminded of a statement made by Buddy Baker about his stock car. He said if he got out of shape in a turn he could hit the gas and the Detroit Locker rear end would lock up and straighten him out.

Detroit Lockers have been used off-road for decades, that's what they do. If given a choice between a spool and a DL on a snowy day I'd pick the Locker. The guy has to learn to drive in snow with it, for sure.

The cornering thing, think about it...when you go around a corner with an open differential the differential action lets the outside tire go faster and the inside tire go slower. So vehicle speed is the average of the two. With a Locker, the inside tire goes the same speed as it was going and the outside unlocks and freewheels. So if you keep the engine speed constant, the car will try to jump ahead. If the inner wheel slips enough, the locker will lock back up momentarily which will try to push the car out of the turn. Then when the front tires regain control over car direction the locker unlocks again. So you get an uneasy feeling in the corner along with some clunks and snaps. This doesn't happen nearly as much if you reduce throttle pressure and let the engine slow down during the turn.

No way would a Soft Locker hold up to the drag racing.

I vote Detroit Locker.

Actually a driver selectable locker would be best. The ARB Air Locker or something like Toyota's electric locker, both are very useful off-road.

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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2031706
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I've had 2 and love mine. It will make the car shimmy to the side when accelerating from a roll and stay off the gas around corners. I can't comment on the bad weather post above. My car is tubbed and I'll drive around pavement if someone spits on it.

Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2031883
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They don't seem to make the Detroit ected for the 8.8 BUT they do make an elocker. Open until activated then like a spool.

Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2031958
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How about A lock right from Richmond?

Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2032004
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I have a Detroit Locker that I put into a 8 3/4 742 case. The Locker was used when I bought it and I have been running it on the street since 2002. I have never had any problems with the diff after 10,000 street miles.

An occasional rachet or clunk from the diff when it disengages and reengages around corners. Also no abnormal ring and pinion wear. No abnormal axle shaft spline wear.

Don't expect to take corners fast, its a Locker diff, not a clutch/cone type posi.

I recommend it for street use.

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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2032236
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It boils down to personal opinion. I have ran both on the street. For street I prefer a locker. If you shift at the right RPM and throttle, you don't even notice. Really the spool was barely noticeable when driving as well. However, turning into garage was a PITA. Both were sunny day cars only.

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Thanks for the input.

He purchased a Yukon Grizzly Locker, we will see how it works out.

Hopefully I won't be back in this anytime soon ...


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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2033170
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For those that care ....

Here are pictures of the carnage, resident M.E. at works thinks it may have been put together wrong ? As it was setup the thrust was pushing the side gears toward the center which would come into play in turns?

trutrac1.jpgtrutrac2.jpgtrutrac3.jpg

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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2033189
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I think the newer ones are all 4 or 6 pinion if that matters.


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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: dogdays] #2033228
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Originally Posted By dogdays
I'm reminded of a statement made by Buddy Baker about his stock car. He said if he got out of shape in a turn he could hit the gas and the Detroit Locker rear end would lock up and straighten him out.

Detroit Lockers have been used off-road for decades, that's what they do. If given a choice between a spool and a DL on a snowy day I'd pick the Locker. The guy has to learn to drive in snow with it, for sure.

The cornering thing, think about it...when you go around a corner with an open differential the differential action lets the outside tire go faster and the inside tire go slower. So vehicle speed is the average of the two. With a Locker, the inside tire goes the same speed as it was going and the outside unlocks and freewheels. So if you keep the engine speed constant, the car will try to jump ahead. If the inner wheel slips enough, the locker will lock back up momentarily which will try to push the car out of the turn. Then when the front tires regain control over car direction the locker unlocks again. So you get an uneasy feeling in the corner along with some clunks and snaps. This doesn't happen nearly as much if you reduce throttle pressure and let the engine slow down during the turn.

No way would a Soft Locker hold up to the drag racing.

I vote Detroit Locker.

Actually a driver selectable locker would be best. The ARB Air Locker or something like Toyota's electric locker, both are very useful off-road.

R.


I can't say I agree with you that a Detroit Soft Locker won't hold up. I run one in my Spirit that has went 10.60's - easily has 500+ passes and 40K street miles and it still looks new inside. I pull it apart about every 4-5 years to inspect, and it still looks undamaged.

As to it's "manners" - dead quiet; never makes any clicking or ratcheting noise. As has been said, during and after a curve it will drive off the inside tire until the axles equalize speed and the dogs lock back in, so if you get into the gas too soon, it will try to push the front end - just like a spool will. About 3-4 times (in 20 years) it has popped on the launch - like a dog wasn't fully engaged, and it skipped to the next one - but it has never caused an aborted pass or caused any broken parts. And it has saved my biscuits on a couple of passes where I hit moisture on the track and gotten sideways - the locker simply released when I got out of the throttle and I could steer the car - a spool likely would have pushed it straight into the wall.


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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: 72Swinger] #2033795
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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
I think the newer ones are all 4 or 6 pinion if that matters.


This one is only 2 years old.

To get access to the C clips I think it would be hard to put more pinions in there ?

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Originally Posted By Evil Spirit


I can't say I agree with you that a Detroit Soft Locker won't hold up. I run one in my Spirit that has went 10.60's - easily has 500+ passes and 40K street miles and it still looks new inside. I pull it apart about every 4-5 years to inspect, and it still looks undamaged.

As to it's "manners" - dead quiet; never makes any clicking or ratcheting noise. As has been said, during and after a curve it will drive off the inside tire until the axles equalize speed and the dogs lock back in, so if you get into the gas too soon, it will try to push the front end - just like a spool will. About 3-4 times (in 20 years) it has popped on the launch - like a dog wasn't fully engaged, and it skipped to the next one - but it has never caused an aborted pass or caused any broken parts. And it has saved my biscuits on a couple of passes where I hit moisture on the track and gotten sideways - the locker simply released when I got out of the throttle and I could steer the car - a spool likely would have pushed it straight into the wall.


Thanks for that info on the soft locker .

It may not be too late to change ?


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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2033834
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Originally Posted By JohnRR
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I think the newer ones are all 4 or 6 pinion if that matters.


This one is only 2 years old.

To get access to the C clips I think it would be hard to put more pinions in there ?

C clips? I thought this was in a Dana or 8 3/4, must be a 9 1/4?


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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: 72Swinger] #2033900
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It's an 8.8.

The first Soft Lockers didn't last too long off-road. Maybe they're better now.

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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2034493
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Yeah, I can't say a soft locker would be the best in an off road situation. I think they are mostly suited for casual street driving, but are plenty strong in drag race conditions. I just don't care for spools on the street, and I see a lot of times at the track where I feel a spool drives the car into the wall, where a locker will release and allow some steering. I'm sure some will dis-agree with that statement - fine, then run a spool. And off-road, a spool is as strong as you are going to get.

And a little tidbit to get you thinking. A lot of the people here probably don't realize that many of the original SUCCESSFUL gassers actually ran open rear diffs, because the cars were such a handfull to drive with spools, and there were not a lot of posi options.


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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
You can get lighter springs for them, to allow them to unlock and ratchet easier, from this guy:
http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/productDetails.aspx?i=710937&c=9318
There may be others also.


Called Ron and bought a set of the 40lb springs , we'll see how it goes , going to be a little work getting it back together , the good thing is I was able to put it in the lathe at work and using a live spindle to take it apart without putting my eye out .


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Good move,I think you'll be pleased. He's a sharp cat


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Re: Detroit locker on the street ? [Re: JohnRR] #2037894
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Originally Posted By JohnRR
Originally Posted By 72Swinger
You can get lighter springs for them, to allow them to unlock and ratchet easier, from this guy:
http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/productDetails.aspx?i=710937&c=9318
There may be others also.


Called Ron and bought a set of the 40lb springs , we'll see how it goes , going to be a little work getting it back together , the good thing is I was able to put it in the lathe at work and using a live spindle to take it apart without putting my eye out .
please keep us posted, i am thinking of doing the same thing.
did Ron say if it would quiet the clicking during turns down?

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Originally Posted By mcat4321
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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
You can get lighter springs for them, to allow them to unlock and ratchet easier, from this guy:
http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/productDetails.aspx?i=710937&c=9318
There may be others also.


Called Ron and bought a set of the 40lb springs , we'll see how it goes , going to be a little work getting it back together , the good thing is I was able to put it in the lathe at work and using a live spindle to take it apart without putting my eye out .
please keep us posted, i am thinking of doing the same thing.
did Ron say if it would quiet the clicking during turns down?


I put the springs in last night using an arbor press, they actually compressed pretty easy.

You need to get over the clicking sound in a turn, it's the design. There is nothing you can do that I can think of, short of not ever turning, to stop the clicking.

He didn't go with these springs to quiet the clicking. I changed them to make it more street friendly when the road is slick , he'll see how it goes in a week or so.


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