Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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HRD,
Couple of things. 1st, I picked up 1mpg on my 2wd 318 auto long bed dakota just by installing a soft roll up tonneau cover. Not and engine mod, but $300 well spent.
As far as intake temps, I have a 2002 Ram 1500 van. I did not like it running on the ragged edge of overheating, so I installed a dual fan set up out of an intrepid. Plenty of those out there available for parts. I also installed a flea bay a/m all aluminum 3 row rad. Cooling temps are down from 205* to 180* on all but the hottest of days. Probably not as big an issue where you live v/s Atlanta.
Magnaflow makes a nice y pipe for our trucks with mandrel bends and bolts up directly to factory exh manifolds.
Another area for easy improvement for automatics is a shift kit along with a good a/m converter. OEM converters are not as efficient as a good a/m with custom full welded vanes and bearings v/s bushings.
Lastly, you might watch ebay for some doug thorley/mopar performance tri y headers for your truck. I have had good luck finding them. As long as you are not in a hurry they do pop up from time to time.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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I see oGoBugeyes. Is. Viewing....
How about 28.1 in a 2020 Scatty Charger on regular pump 87 ? That is some pretty good mileage Doc. I don't get that kind of mileage from my 3.6 300.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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I got you all beat, my 74 W200 magnum headed 360 gets 7.3 MPG. Oh wait...
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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I can get over 20 easily in my 2011 ram 1500 with a 6.4SRT8 short block, cam and eagle heads, Vararam intake cruising at 70MPH but I bet the NOX is too high for EPA. It does need premium fuel. My new truck is a 2011 dodge 2500 long bed crew cab and I have settled on building a BGE short block, eagle 5.7 cam, intake and heads, hoping to still get 20 MPG with it. I have run out of money to address the lack of quench on this one also so it just is what it is, pistons about .020 in the hole .035ish head gaskets.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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I see oGoBugeyes. Is. Viewing....
How about 28.1 in a 2020 Scatty Charger on regular pump 87 ? That is some pretty good mileage Doc. I don't get that kind of mileage from my 3.6 300. Yo oGo ... I’m kind of impressed toooo ... but better MPGs are expected.... driving it S M O O T H L Y ! ... the 28.1 was done on the flat ... I-75 in Florida with the cruise clicked at 71 AND the tires were at 44psi. BTW ... the tires were at 49 when I picked it up... SO MUCH for proper DEALER PREP ! supposedly it’s set at that high psi at the assembly plant for ease of loading on RAIL or a semi trailer. And quite honestly it did not ride uncomfortably and it handled and braked quite well. Now ALSO .... the aero on your 300 is no so good ... compared to the Charger... so I’ve been told.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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I see oGoBugeyes. Is. Viewing....
How about 28.1 in a 2020 Scatty Charger on regular pump 87 ? That is some pretty good mileage Doc. I don't get that kind of mileage from my 3.6 300. Yo oGo ... I’m kind of impressed toooo ... but better MPGs are expected.... driving it S M O O T H L Y ! ... the 28.1 was done on the flat ... I-75 in Florida with the cruise clicked at 71 AND the tires were at 44psi. BTW ... the tires were at 49 when I picked it up... SO MUCH for proper DEALER PREP ! supposedly it’s set at that high psi at the assembly plant for ease of loading on RAIL or a semi trailer. And quite honestly it did not ride uncomfortably and it handled and braked quite well. Now ALSO .... the aero on your 300 is no so good ... compared to the Charger... so I’ve been told. Just got done with a weekend full of mostly interstate travel. Averaged 27.3 mpg with the 3.6 300. Hard to complain about, especially with my lead foot combined with lots of stop, slow, and go on Atlanta interstates. I have been wondering what kind of mileage could be achieved with the 3.6 in an old A body or old first gen Dakota.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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HRD just wait until you can have the block decked to finish the build. You know you won't be happy with it and will just wind up building another to replace it down the road if you don't. I would but I already assembled the short block and put it in the truck while I was getting the heads done. I can't push it off any longer I got several big jobs waiting where I need the 3/4 ton and I am actively trying to sell the 1/2 ton.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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OgO.... my mpg was no trip.. it was a 110 mile cruise picking up a miter saw. I drove it like my life depended on the best MPG I could get. I did another CL purchase some months ago ... the guy had a 19 GT Charger.... he claimed over 31 on a trip up to South Carolina. A 3.6 is a nice motor
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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HRD just wait until you can have the block decked to finish the build. You know you won't be happy with it and will just wind up building another to replace it down the road if you don't. I would but I already assembled the short block and put it in the truck while I was getting the heads done. I can't push it off any longer I got several big jobs waiting where I need the 3/4 ton and I am actively trying to sell the 1/2 ton. Life does have a way of interfering with stuff like that sometimes. I enjoy working on my hot rods and building engines, provided they are not for my daily driver. Hopefully I'll never be in a position where I have to wrench on a car at 10pm in order to have a way to work in the morning. It is nice having an extra car or two around.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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the lack of quench on this one also so it just is what it is, pistons about .020 in the hole .035ish head gaskets. Given any thought to the thinnest head gasket available? Maybe it is not as important on the Hemi head because the quench flats are so much smaller than on the Magnum 5.2/5.9 V8 combustion chamber. The Hemi head is supposed to have far greater “tumble” as compared to “swirl” and “quench” on the Magnum combustion chamber.. Tumble is swirl turned 90 degrees. The shallow “soap dish” cast into the Magnum 5.9/ V10 piston crown is to increase tumble in addition to increasing combustion chamber CC’s and adding some valve clearance. The 5.2 Magnum stock piston does not have the soap dish and you would think the quench in the 5.2 would be of higher magnitude. Willem Weertman writes a little about the piston design of the 5.9 V8 and how it was used in the iron V10 as well in his book “Chrysler Engines” When I read this years ago I wondered: “Is the dish of the 5.9 V8 a little too big because it also had to work in the V10? Is the combustion chamber in the cylinder head of ideal size in the 5.2 with its flat top piston, but a cost driven compromise in the 5.9 V8 and V10 ? “ If high compression ratio on regular gas is an indicator of good chamber gas velocities the 5.2 beats the 5.9 V8 and 8L V10 by that measure. The aluminum Viper V10s had several “tweaked” chamber and piston crown features over the years.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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the lack of quench on this one also so it just is what it is, pistons about .020 in the hole .035ish head gaskets. Given any thought to the thinnest head gasket available? Maybe it is not as important on the Hemi head because the quench flats are so much smaller than on the Magnum 5.2/5.9 V8 combustion chamber. The Hemi head is supposed to have far greater “tumble” as compared to “swirl” and “quench” on the Magnum combustion chamber.. Tumble is swirl turned 90 degrees. The shallow “soap dish” cast into the Magnum 5.9/ V10 piston crown is to increase tumble in addition to increasing combustion chamber CC’s and adding some valve clearance. The 5.2 Magnum stock piston does not have the soap dish and you would think the quench in the 5.2 would be of higher magnitude. Willem Weertman writes a little about the piston design of the 5.9 V8 and how it was used in the iron V10 as well in his book “Chrysler Engines” When I read this years ago I wondered: “Is the dish of the 5.9 V8 a little too big because it also had to work in the V10? Is the combustion chamber in the cylinder head of ideal size in the 5.2 with its flat top piston, but a cost driven compromise in the 5.9 V8 and V10 ? “ If high compression ratio on regular gas is an indicator of good chamber gas velocities the 5.2 beats the 5.9 V8 and 8L V10 by that measure. The aluminum Viper V10s had several “tweaked” chamber and piston crown features over the years. I have considered using the single layer of the factory head gasket (.010 thickness) like I have done on magnums and LAs but am a little scared with the aluminum heads that is might not last long. Also it would give me almost identical compression to my current SRT8 6.4 in the half ton that needs premium but with the smaller cam I am using I will have even more cylinder pressure and am scared it would just be too much even with the tighter quench.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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Does your SRT8 have sodium filled exhaust valves?
Seems like I read that the SRT package mods included sodium filled valves one year. The SRT8 has eagle heads, it's got serious compression, eagle heads have about 10CC smaller chambers that the 6.4. I did mirror polish the entire head of the ex valves on that to keep them from absorbing as much heat from combustion, I did the same on these.
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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Does your SRT8 have sodium filled exhaust valves?
Seems like I read that the SRT package mods included sodium filled valves one year. The SRT8 has eagle heads, it's got serious compression, eagle heads have about 10CC smaller chambers that the 6.4. I did mirror polish the entire head of the ex valves on that to keep them from absorbing as much heat from combustion, I did the same on these. HRD did you ever do anything with this build?
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Re: Super duper MPG 5.9 magnum
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Unfortunately not really, did a few of the little things and let someone borrow it and they got it totaled for me.
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