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'67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? #200485
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My friend told me he used to own the only 1967 Hemi powered Plymouth Belvidere made. He said it was documented. I was wondering if anyone else had ever heard of this car in Central Ohio? Just thought I would throw it out there...


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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? [Re: 4boxers4] #200486
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Which belvedere model? Belvedere I or II? I know of one Belvedere I, (one of two)but it isnt in Ohio. Chrysler built a few Belvedere IIs. Not sure of the exact # built. Something like 13 or so. I bet Scott Smith knows...

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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? [Re: 4boxers4] #200487
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he might want to inform the other 67 hemi belvedere owners he's got the only one
there were approx. 55 belvedere II's (super stock) and at least 2 belvedere I's known to exist


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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? [Re: vancamp] #200488
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Checkout www.judylilly.org and read the "One of None" button link

Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #200489
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Wow...very cool site. What is really interesting is the bottom of the page says '1 more silver car not yet pictured' and that is the same color as his was! Dan had a silver one with a black top in the picture he showed me. None of the one's pictured above appeared to have that color combo...hmmm. The plot thickens!


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There were several Bel II hardtops, and there should also be several Bel I sedans, being the most logical drag race body. The '67 RO cars were Bel II hardtops, as well. There was a light green metallic Bel II HT in the San Fernando Valley area in '67-'68, the owner's son went to High School with me.

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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? [Re: 4boxers4] #200491
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It sounds like your friends car may have been the one not pictured, it's wherabouts are known, just no pics yet, but could only be your friends old car your friends car was a 2 door hard top (BelvedereII, not a BelvedereI). I will be posting many more pics of the only known 67 Hemi BelvedereII 4 door soon, just got them in.

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in 1981 I was in the Ply dealer in Madison Wi.(Russ Darrow IIRC). In the shop in front of the parts counter was a red /black interior Hemi Belvedere sitting there. I cant remember if it was a I or a II tho...


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Also keep in mind that a LARGE number of the reports/sightings/memories I've heard from people over the years ended up being 1966 Belvederes rather than 1967's. That's why vintage photos and VIN information is so criticle in verifying one as an original, they look allot alike and many people don't know one year from the other in the first place.

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Strange seeing this post, because in Wichita Kansas, (I do not remember if it was I or II), but in 1975 a kid bought a silver 67 belvedere with a hemi engine that had been blown, we took it over to my place and he bought a 318 from me and we installed it into the car. I moved to Texas shortly after that and lost touch with him and his car. But possibly someone in Wichita knows about the silver 67 with the HEMI badges and vin that had a 318 in it? If not, maybe they still have a silver 67 with a 318 in it not realizing that the car is an actual HEMI car and not just dressed up with fake badges.
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Strange seeing this post, because in Wichita Kansas, (I do not remember if it was I or II), but in 1975 a kid bought a silver 67 belvedere with a hemi engine that had been blown, we took it over to my place and he bought a 318 from me and we installed it into the car. I moved to Texas shortly after that and lost touch with him and his car. But possibly someone in Wichita knows about the silver 67 with the HEMI badges and vin that had a 318 in it? If not, maybe they still have a silver 67 with a 318 in it not realizing that the car is an actual HEMI car and not just dressed up with fake badges.
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Doc, I haven't heard of it.

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Also keep in mind that there are 3 known original silver 67 Hemi BelvedereII's, it's quite possible that one of them is the car you guys remember seeing, the one that I don't have a photo of was purchased out of the midwest intact but needing a complete restoration.

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I will be posting many more pics of the only known 67 Hemi BelvedereII 4 door soon, just got them in.




There was also one 66 Hemi BelvedereII 4 door built: a 4 speed one.


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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? [Re: EWJ] #200498
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Never seen the 66, have a VIN#?

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I believe that GGs book show that between Base, Deluxe, and 440 models in 1966 there were 6 Hemi 4 doors. The 440 is a 4 speed.

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Right, but I'm only talking Plymouths here. To the best of my knowledge the only known (and documented) Hemi Plymouth 4 door ever built (any year) is the 1967 BelvedereII 4 door in Finland.

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I remember meeting a fella named Richard Garland here in NC back in the 80s that had bought and redone a gold 67 hemi satelite. All the literature claimed a GTX was the only way to get a hemi so I questioned it. Apparently the "numbers" were in order and it was the real deal. Any non GTX/Roadrunner 68 or 69 hemicars known to exist? Did any cop cars ever come with a hemi?

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I remember meeting a fella named Richard Garland here in NC back in the 80s that had bought and redone a gold 67 hemi satelite. All the literature claimed a GTX was the only way to get a hemi so I questioned it. Apparently the "numbers" were in order and it was the real deal. Any non GTX/Roadrunner 68 or 69 hemicars known to exist? Did any cop cars ever come with a hemi?




I don't know if he still owns it or not but Galen Govier had a 1968 Hemi Coronet 440 model, that was one of two that were never supposed to be available.

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Yes Galen still has that car. The gold Satellite mentioned still exists as do several other 67 Hemi Satellites including one which is a white Pilot car, 4 speed convertible it was sold at Barrett Jackson a couple years ago. I'll be updating the site to include the 67 Hemi Satellites once I have all of the info in order.

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A good tid-bit of info to remember: All these production numbers you see, DOES NOT include pilot, exec lease, and other cars such as fleet.

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None of what I listed relates to any published production numbers, purely a list of cars known and documented to exist (with one exception still undocumented, known from old photos only). As far as I know there are no published (or private) production numbers on theses cars. Chrysler still has most of the IBM cards for the 67 model year but they keep them private unless you provide proof of ownership of any particular VIN#.

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Sorry Scott, I didn't direct that at you. I was just sharing info for all the people who read that only a certain number was made of a car.

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Yes Galen still has that car. The gold Satellite mentioned still exists as do several other 67 Hemi Satellites including one which is a white Pilot car, 4 speed convertible it was sold at Barrett Jackson a couple years ago. I'll be updating the site to include the 67 Hemi Satellites once I have all of the info in order.




There's a local guy here that has one of the 67 Hemi Satellite Hardtop's.
I can't remember if his is an auto or a 4-speed.
The car needs a full resto as it was a race car early in it's life.
If memory serves me right the car is Turbine Bronze color.


Here's a pic of one of the other cars he has, you might recognize it.


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Never seen the 66, have a VIN#?




My father ordered it new- here is the info:

1966 Plymouth Belvedere II 4 door sedan, forest green metallic with citron gold cloth interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, wood grained steering wheel, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker. The car was ordered by Franklin Motors, Wyckoff NJ on 3/22/66, and built almost immediately in St Louis, Missouri. It arrived at Wyckoff on Thursday, 4/7/66.

It had 180,000 miles on it when it disappeared 7/4/80

I've spent YEARS trying to locate it: old insurance cards, old registrations, copy of police report (old records supposedly destroyed), etc.

All I can say is that it did exist (I lived with it for the first 10 years of my life): have some pics, but nothing that really puts it all in one pic.


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My father ordered it new- here is the info:

1966 Plymouth Belvedere II 4 door sedan, forest green metallic with citron gold cloth interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, wood grained steering wheel, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker. The car was ordered by Franklin Motors, Wyckoff NJ on 3/22/66, and built almost immediately in St Louis, Missouri. It arrived at Wyckoff on Thursday, 4/7/66.

It had 180,000 miles on it when it disappeared 7/4/80

I've spent YEARS trying to locate it: old insurance cards, old registrations, copy of police report (old records supposedly destroyed), etc.

All I can say is that it did exist (I lived with it for the first 10 years of my life): have some pics, but nothing that really puts it all in one pic.







Sounds like a neat car, one of those old registrations should have a VIN#? If you have any pics you'd like to share I'll post them on my site ifyou like. Any story on why your father ordered a 4 door Hemi 4 speed car?

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I have not located any old documents, hence not knowing the VIN.

The 'old man' liked to keep a low profile. The thought of ordering the Hemi 4 door came after he purchased a used 1965 Fury 4 door 365hp/426 Wedge, 4 speed car from a dealer. It had been used by a zone rep in northern NJ.


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OK guys here are more details as I spoke to him about them today. He is telling me he purchased it in 1981 in Columbus as a 3rd owner. He didn't know if it was a Belvedere 1 or 2(how to tell?). He mentioned something about 1 of 4 "Silver Specials", but they were supposed to have been crushed. It was badged up and I HAVE seen a pic. He is bringing it to me in the next few days to upload. It had a black gator grain top and black and silver interior(he mentioned the black insert similar to the top material, gator grain). It was an automatic car. He only owned it for a couple of months and he is a GM guy so he doesn't remember each detail. He said he sold it to a gentleman in Indy named Schmidt who used to own the Diamonte as well. He told me he parked it next that when he delivered it. He has always seemed trustworthy and knows many details so I believe him. There was an article in one of the Mopar mags about it and he thinks it is in some Dupont registry. He said '67 so I would think the title was accurate. Does this help anyone get us closer? I love a good chase...


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Belvedere I's are sedans, BelvedereII's are hard tops. If it was optioned as described it was a Bel II because that's the only model the interior and roof you described was available on. There were a couple "Silver Special" packages available, silver paint, silver & dark grey 2 tone interior, and matching dark grey vinyl roof came when you ordered the complete set. One of the known cars is equipped as you described, two others are silver with other roof and interior options, one of these may have also had all 3, still waiting for the IBM card to verify.

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Wow...I don't know how Imissed it. I guess because the small photo looks like the whole car is silver but his car IS on that website you attached. It is the Belvedere II that is silver and the first car on that row of 3(RH23J7)
He was looking up more info and even mentioned emailing you about some of the extra pics he has and the details. He also sent those to me to post. I am not sure if people are interested in the history of that vehicle or not but I found it interesting. Very cool stuff. I appreciate your follow up as it has made the whole discussion very enjoyable!


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Here's a 66 Hemi Belvedere II

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Here's a 66 Belvedere 1 Hemi-CLONE-

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I own the other 67 Belvedere1, the automatic, still working on the resto..

Dennis

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I own the other 67 Belvedere1, the automatic, still working on the resto..

Dennis




The car in the sig right Dennis?

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I haven't seen that picture before, but that looks like the same one, it now has a flat hood with no hood scoop. If you have any more info on it, I would be interested.

Thanks

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I don't know the year of this one. I took the pictures at a cruise night in Wyckoff,NJ. I spoke to the owner at another local show and he's really a nice guy and the car is all original.



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The car with the scoop above is the same blue sedan Jim now owns. I've known about the car for about 20 years now, it came from Michigan. It was not a factory race car and to my knowledge was not raced by any well known racers, the hood scoop did not come on the car, it was added later. The last owner I spoke with was owned a person who works for Mopar on the Viper Team, since then it's been through a couple owners since.

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For those posting pics and references to 1966 Hemi cars, keep in mind that Chrysler did not limit the Hemi to any certain models in 1966, that didn't start until 1967. So, while they look very similar in body shape, etc. there is a big difference in rarity when discussing 1966 vs 1967 Belvedere/Satellite factory Hemi cars.

Due to the fact that the 2 model years look so much alike many people who have shared thier memories of "1967 Hemi cars" were in fact remembering a 1966 car, allot of cases of mistaken identity.

Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #200522
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Hey Scott,
Do you know the build numbers for the 67 Hemi Satellite's?
I'm just curious because the guy that I was talking about with the 67 (Bob Pickel) was quoting four 4-speed and 1 automatic back when he traded into the car.

His was supposed to be the only automatic car built.
Then a little later he said someone told him there were two built.

Are those numbers even close?

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There were more 67 Hemi Satellites than people are currently aware of. I don't want to post numbers until I have a firm number, for conversation purposes there are less than 10 known total, somewhere around 5-6 cars.

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I don't know the year of this one. I took the pictures at a cruise night in Wyckoff,NJ. I spoke to the owner at another local show and he's really a nice guy and the car is all original.







It's a 1966. Another one like this (Mauve Metallic), but a Satellite, was sold new at Franklin Motors there in Wyckoff, NJ.

Very nice car and makes regular rounds at many Northern NJ cruises.


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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?


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1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
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There were more 67 Hemi Satellites than people are currently aware of. I don't want to post numbers until I have a firm number, for conversation purposes there are less than 10 known total, somewhere around 5-6 cars.




That's basicly what he was saying, four 4-speed and one or two automatic cars.

Thanks.


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Scott,
Jim ownes the Judy Lilly car, the 4 speed one, I am the one who bought the auto one from Bill, the gentleman who worked for Team Viper.
The original owner who raced it was a gentleman by the name of Jim Issac, a super nice guy, who was very helpful with the history of this car.

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Sorry, I typed Jim in reference to you by mistake. I'm involved with J. Drain in the restoration of the Lilly car. Have you checked out my website yet?

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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?




Another confusing aspect to all of this is that the Street Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RH23J7) often get confused with the Race Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RO23J7). Are you sure it's not a Race car you saw? Do you have a photo of the VIN#?

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Another confusing aspect to all of this is that the Street Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RH23J7) often get confused with the Race Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RO23J7). Are you sure it's not a Race car you saw? Do you have a photo of the VIN#?



Scott, it is not an RO car. I have a few pictures of the car somehwere but not of the vin. I've talked with them at the races. They know what it is/was. There is also a SS/DA car out of Div 1 that is an automatic. Still races it. Called the Native American. Has the window sticker or copy in it. I can't remember if it is a Belvedere or Satellite. That car is quite well known.


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1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?




Another confusing aspect to all of this is that the Street Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RH23J7) often get confused with the Race Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RO23J7) . Are you sure it's not a Race car you saw? Do you have a photo of the VIN#?





I think that statement confuses people ever more.

The 1967 WO and RO cars were NOT race Hemis but rather street Hemis with bigger carbs. Chrysler's intent with those cars was to create a package car that potential buyers could better relate to with what they could go to the dealership and buy to drive on the street. These were the package cars that had the least modifications to them than any other package car vs. the street cars avaialble to the regular buyer.

The intent was for these cars to be raced in Stock Eliminator class but for some reason they were moved to Super Stock (probably because of the "cheater" carbs) where they were not at all competitive.

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Jim ownes the Judy Lilly car, the 4 speed one, I am the one who bought the auto one from Bill, the gentleman who worked for Team Viper.
The original owner who raced it was a gentleman by the name of Jim Issac, a super nice guy, who was very helpful with the history of this car.




I bought it from Jim Isaac in 1985 for $150. I was dating his daughter at the time. Jim actually owned it twice. After he sold it the first time it was parked beside a barn after hitting a deer. Jim bought it back years later and I bought it from him. He had plans to make it into a stock car. He was racing at the local circle track in a 64 Plymouth at the time.

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The shape it was in circa 1995 when I bought it.

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I haven't seen that picture before, but that looks like the same one, it now has a flat hood with no hood scoop. If you have any more info on it, I would be interested.

Thanks




I've talked to you a couple times on the phone. Somewhere hidden in an old direct connection book is the broadcast sheet for it.

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Jlemon,

If you'd like I can post those and any other pics of your old car (along with your complete story)on my site? Just let me know.


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If you'd like I can post those and any other pics of your old car (along with your complete story)on my site? Just let me know.






Sure, send me a PM and I'll email the pics and anything you want to know about it.

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With respect to Hemi Belvidere or police car hemi's. My father was lifelong Chrysler(corp) employee. In 66 or 67 we were dropping off a car at his office in College Park MD. I noticed what looked like several(6-12) white Belvidere 4 door sedans parked in rear lot. I asked if his office was getting into the taxi business. He said go over & look at them. While viewing them I noticed the Hemi badges on the front fenders. The cars were white 4 doors with all vinyl Black or blue interiors with rubber mats, no rugs. He told me to open the hoods & take a look. I did & looked at a 426 Hemi. I told him "so what". He told me "to look harder". I asked if this was some sort of game. When I bent down to look under the air cleaner I was shocked to see one carb with the weirdest intake I'd ever seen. I said they don't make a motor like this & he replied "What wasn't Chrysler doing right now" I was really confused now.It slowly dawned on me that they were boycotting NASCAR because of the restrictions they were placing on the Hemi engine. So they put the unused engines in the police/taxi chassis & sent them to the Chrysler field offices to drive then sell. But this was only part of the puzzle. My dad told me that the first couple of cars appeared to have trans issues( they were all auto) because the wouldn't shift when driven. They were sent to Bob Banning Dodge & Chry/Ply in Hyattsville,Md. for repair. They were taken apart & appeared to be OK, but after further inspection it was determined to have a manual valve body/ reverse gate drag race trans installed, but the shift indicator was the normal PRND21. Therefore Drive was first & low or first was drive and they would require constant shifting to be able to drive on the street. I don't know what class they would have run at the local drags since I don't believe this engine body combo would show up in the books. I wonder if any of these are still in existence? So that's my story & it shows more than just one 4dr Hemi made. As I stated I can't remember which year 66or67 this occurred but it happened. Jack

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Jack, all due respect and a great story as it seems you have a pretty clear memory of what you saw. However to be honest, with no numbers, photos, or something else solid to back it up, it's just another story.

I don't doubt that it's possible, even probable, that other yet undiscovered or long destroyed 66-67 Street Hemi cars were built, but these days they are just stories without some evidence to prove them out, especially when talking about Race Hemi's in 4 doors.

Maybe you or your dad can do some digging and come up with something cool that would prove thier existance?


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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?




Another confusing aspect to all of this is that the Street Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RH23J7) often get confused with the Race Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RO23J7) . Are you sure it's not a Race car you saw? Do you have a photo of the VIN#?





I think that statement confuses people ever more.

The 1967 WO and RO cars were NOT race Hemis but rather street Hemis with bigger carbs. Chrysler's intent with those cars was to create a package car that potential buyers could better relate to with what they could go to the dealership and buy to drive on the street. These were the package cars that had the least modifications to them than any other package car vs. the street cars avaialble to the regular buyer.

The intent was for these cars to be raced in Stock Eliminator class but for some reason they were moved to Super Stock (probably because of the "cheater" carbs) where they were not at all competitive.




'67 RO and WO cars came with Street Hemi carbs. The factory data sheet that was printed before the cars were made stated 4139 & 4140 '66 carbs, but most likely all came with 4139 & 4343 '67 carbs. Don't go by Galens white book, it list info from the data sheet, not what has been found on '67 SS cars.
The 4345 & 4346 'cheater' carbs were for just what they were called, for cheating or match racing. They are not class legal.
The '67 Super Stock cars were never built for Stock, only Super Stock. They will not fit into Stock. Like the 426/425hp '64 aluminum Max Wedge cars, they fit below the minimum lbs/HP break for A/Stock.
The only Super Stock package Mopar made for Stock was the '66 D-Darts.
The '67 SS cars were not competetive because they ran in the same class as the '64, '65 and '68 Race Hemi cars, SS/B and SS/BA. It was a few years later when NHRA changed the weight breaks that put the '67s in SS/D, the '65 in SS/C, the '64 in SS/B and the '68 in SS/A.

I've seen two '67 Belvedere II Hemi cars. The green one Scott owned and the blue one from the Atlanta GA area.

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'67 RO and WO cars came with Street Hemi carbs. The factory data sheet that was printed before the cars were made stated 4139 & 4140 '66 carbs, but most likely all came with 4139 & 4343 '67 carbs. Don't go by Galens white book, it list info from the data sheet, not what has been found on '67 SS cars.
The 4345 & 4346 'cheater' carbs were for just what they were called, for cheating or match racing. They are not class legal.
The '67 Super Stock cars were never built for Stock, only Super Stock. They will not fit into Stock. Like the 426/425hp '64 aluminum Max Wedge cars, they fit below the minimum lbs/HP break for A/Stock.
The only Super Stock package Mopar made for Stock was the '66 D-Darts.
The '67 SS cars were not competetive because they ran in the same class as the '64, '65 and '68 Race Hemi cars, SS/B and SS/BA. It was a few years later when NHRA changed the weight breaks that put the '67s in SS/D, the '65 in SS/C, the '64 in SS/B and the '68 in SS/A.

I've seen two '67 Belvedere II Hemi cars. The green one Scott owned and the blue one from the Atlanta GA area.





They all came with regular old 66/67 Street Hemi carbs, in fact the "Cheater" carbs weren't even manufactured or available until after the run or RO/WO cars was finished.


*The blue 67 Hemi 4 speed BelvedereII car from Atlanta belonged to Steve Simmons

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Strange seeing this post, because in Wichita Kansas, (I do not remember if it was I or II), but in 1975 a kid bought a silver 67 belvedere with a hemi engine that had been blown, we took it over to my place and he bought a 318 from me and we installed it into the car. I moved to Texas shortly after that and lost touch with him and his car. But possibly someone in Wichita knows about the silver 67 with the HEMI badges and vin that had a 318 in it? If not, maybe they still have a silver 67 with a 318 in it not realizing that the car is an actual HEMI car and not just dressed up with fake badges.
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My dad passed away 7 years ago & I realize there is no proof. But I saw them & touched them & to me it's not just a story but another of the wonderful Mopar memories my dad exposed me to over my 60 plus years. You can believe it or not but I thought I'd share it with some other Mopar fans.

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Like I said Jack, great story, thanks for sharing.

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Welcome to Moparts Jack. You will have to get use to having hard proof on everything you post. On moparts it is just not good enough that you lived it, you have to have the scares to prove it also.


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hemicar1971, a good place to start in your case would be to add your real name to your profile.


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