Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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Which belvedere model? Belvedere I or II? I know of one Belvedere I, (one of two)but it isnt in Ohio. Chrysler built a few Belvedere IIs. Not sure of the exact # built. Something like 13 or so. I bet Scott Smith knows...
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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he might want to inform the other 67 hemi belvedere owners he's got the only one there were approx. 55 belvedere II's (super stock) and at least 2 belvedere I's known to exist
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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in 1981 I was in the Ply dealer in Madison Wi.(Russ Darrow IIRC). In the shop in front of the parts counter was a red /black interior Hemi Belvedere sitting there. I cant remember if it was a I or a II tho...
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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Strange seeing this post, because in Wichita Kansas, (I do not remember if it was I or II), but in 1975 a kid bought a silver 67 belvedere with a hemi engine that had been blown, we took it over to my place and he bought a 318 from me and we installed it into the car. I moved to Texas shortly after that and lost touch with him and his car. But possibly someone in Wichita knows about the silver 67 with the HEMI badges and vin that had a 318 in it? If not, maybe they still have a silver 67 with a 318 in it not realizing that the car is an actual HEMI car and not just dressed up with fake badges. Regards,
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Doc, I haven't heard of it.
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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I will be posting many more pics of the only known 67 Hemi BelvedereII 4 door soon, just got them in.
There was also one 66 Hemi BelvedereII 4 door built: a 4 speed one.
Ed EastCoast Land Yacht Assoc. 1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed 1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96 1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7 1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96 1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96 1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW 1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96 2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed "The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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I believe that GGs book show that between Base, Deluxe, and 440 models in 1966 there were 6 Hemi 4 doors. The 440 is a 4 speed.
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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I remember meeting a fella named Richard Garland here in NC back in the 80s that had bought and redone a gold 67 hemi satelite. All the literature claimed a GTX was the only way to get a hemi so I questioned it. Apparently the "numbers" were in order and it was the real deal. Any non GTX/Roadrunner 68 or 69 hemicars known to exist? Did any cop cars ever come with a hemi?
I don't know if he still owns it or not but Galen Govier had a 1968 Hemi Coronet 440 model, that was one of two that were never supposed to be available.
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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Never seen the 66, have a VIN#?
My father ordered it new- here is the info:
1966 Plymouth Belvedere II 4 door sedan, forest green metallic with citron gold cloth interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, wood grained steering wheel, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker. The car was ordered by Franklin Motors, Wyckoff NJ on 3/22/66, and built almost immediately in St Louis, Missouri. It arrived at Wyckoff on Thursday, 4/7/66.
It had 180,000 miles on it when it disappeared 7/4/80
I've spent YEARS trying to locate it: old insurance cards, old registrations, copy of police report (old records supposedly destroyed), etc.
All I can say is that it did exist (I lived with it for the first 10 years of my life): have some pics, but nothing that really puts it all in one pic.
Ed EastCoast Land Yacht Assoc. 1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed 1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96 1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7 1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96 1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96 1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW 1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96 2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed "The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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My father ordered it new- here is the info:
1966 Plymouth Belvedere II 4 door sedan, forest green metallic with citron gold cloth interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, wood grained steering wheel, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker. The car was ordered by Franklin Motors, Wyckoff NJ on 3/22/66, and built almost immediately in St Louis, Missouri. It arrived at Wyckoff on Thursday, 4/7/66.
It had 180,000 miles on it when it disappeared 7/4/80
I've spent YEARS trying to locate it: old insurance cards, old registrations, copy of police report (old records supposedly destroyed), etc.
All I can say is that it did exist (I lived with it for the first 10 years of my life): have some pics, but nothing that really puts it all in one pic.
Sounds like a neat car, one of those old registrations should have a VIN#? If you have any pics you'd like to share I'll post them on my site ifyou like. Any story on why your father ordered a 4 door Hemi 4 speed car?
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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I have not located any old documents, hence not knowing the VIN.
The 'old man' liked to keep a low profile. The thought of ordering the Hemi 4 door came after he purchased a used 1965 Fury 4 door 365hp/426 Wedge, 4 speed car from a dealer. It had been used by a zone rep in northern NJ.
Ed EastCoast Land Yacht Assoc. 1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed 1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96 1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7 1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96 1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96 1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW 1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96 2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed "The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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I own the other 67 Belvedere1, the automatic, still working on the resto..
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The car in the sig right Dennis?
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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Hey Scott, Do you know the build numbers for the 67 Hemi Satellite's? I'm just curious because the guy that I was talking about with the 67 (Bob Pickel) was quoting four 4-speed and 1 automatic back when he traded into the car.
His was supposed to be the only automatic car built. Then a little later he said someone told him there were two built.
Are those numbers even close?
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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I don't know the year of this one. I took the pictures at a cruise night in Wyckoff,NJ. I spoke to the owner at another local show and he's really a nice guy and the car is all original.
It's a 1966. Another one like this (Mauve Metallic), but a Satellite, was sold new at Franklin Motors there in Wyckoff, NJ.
Very nice car and makes regular rounds at many Northern NJ cruises.
Ed EastCoast Land Yacht Assoc. 1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed 1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96 1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7 1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96 1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96 1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW 1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96 2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed "The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?
Another confusing aspect to all of this is that the Street Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RH23J7) often get confused with the Race Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RO23J7). Are you sure it's not a Race car you saw? Do you have a photo of the VIN#?
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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?
Another confusing aspect to all of this is that the Street Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RH23J7) often get confused with the Race Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RO23J7) . Are you sure it's not a Race car you saw? Do you have a photo of the VIN#?
I think that statement confuses people ever more.
The 1967 WO and RO cars were NOT race Hemis but rather street Hemis with bigger carbs. Chrysler's intent with those cars was to create a package car that potential buyers could better relate to with what they could go to the dealership and buy to drive on the street. These were the package cars that had the least modifications to them than any other package car vs. the street cars avaialble to the regular buyer.
The intent was for these cars to be raced in Stock Eliminator class but for some reason they were moved to Super Stock (probably because of the "cheater" carbs) where they were not at all competitive.
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Scott, Jim ownes the Judy Lilly car, the 4 speed one, I am the one who bought the auto one from Bill, the gentleman who worked for Team Viper. The original owner who raced it was a gentleman by the name of Jim Issac, a super nice guy, who was very helpful with the history of this car.
I bought it from Jim Isaac in 1985 for $150. I was dating his daughter at the time. Jim actually owned it twice. After he sold it the first time it was parked beside a barn after hitting a deer. Jim bought it back years later and I bought it from him. He had plans to make it into a stock car. He was racing at the local circle track in a 64 Plymouth at the time.
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I haven't seen that picture before, but that looks like the same one, it now has a flat hood with no hood scoop. If you have any more info on it, I would be interested.
Thanks
I've talked to you a couple times on the phone. Somewhere hidden in an old direct connection book is the broadcast sheet for it.
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If you'd like I can post those and any other pics of your old car (along with your complete story)on my site? Just let me know.
Sure, send me a PM and I'll email the pics and anything you want to know about it.
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Re: '67 Hemi Belvidere...only 1 made? Ever heard of this?
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With respect to Hemi Belvidere or police car hemi's. My father was lifelong Chrysler(corp) employee. In 66 or 67 we were dropping off a car at his office in College Park MD. I noticed what looked like several(6-12) white Belvidere 4 door sedans parked in rear lot. I asked if his office was getting into the taxi business. He said go over & look at them. While viewing them I noticed the Hemi badges on the front fenders. The cars were white 4 doors with all vinyl Black or blue interiors with rubber mats, no rugs. He told me to open the hoods & take a look. I did & looked at a 426 Hemi. I told him "so what". He told me "to look harder". I asked if this was some sort of game. When I bent down to look under the air cleaner I was shocked to see one carb with the weirdest intake I'd ever seen. I said they don't make a motor like this & he replied "What wasn't Chrysler doing right now" I was really confused now.It slowly dawned on me that they were boycotting NASCAR because of the restrictions they were placing on the Hemi engine. So they put the unused engines in the police/taxi chassis & sent them to the Chrysler field offices to drive then sell. But this was only part of the puzzle. My dad told me that the first couple of cars appeared to have trans issues( they were all auto) because the wouldn't shift when driven. They were sent to Bob Banning Dodge & Chry/Ply in Hyattsville,Md. for repair. They were taken apart & appeared to be OK, but after further inspection it was determined to have a manual valve body/ reverse gate drag race trans installed, but the shift indicator was the normal PRND21. Therefore Drive was first & low or first was drive and they would require constant shifting to be able to drive on the street. I don't know what class they would have run at the local drags since I don't believe this engine body combo would show up in the books. I wonder if any of these are still in existence? So that's my story & it shows more than just one 4dr Hemi made. As I stated I can't remember which year 66or67 this occurred but it happened. Jack
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Jack, all due respect and a great story as it seems you have a pretty clear memory of what you saw. However to be honest, with no numbers, photos, or something else solid to back it up, it's just another story. I don't doubt that it's possible, even probable, that other yet undiscovered or long destroyed 66-67 Street Hemi cars were built, but these days they are just stories without some evidence to prove them out, especially when talking about Race Hemi's in 4 doors. Maybe you or your dad can do some digging and come up with something cool that would prove thier existance?
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There is a 67 BelvedereII 4 speed around here. It is still actively raced. It was turned into a race car not too long ago. I remember seeing the chassis getting certified at a points meet I was at in the 90's. No doubt it is legit. I think 1 of 2 w/ gearbox comes to mind?
Another confusing aspect to all of this is that the Street Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RH23J7) often get confused with the Race Hemi 67 Belvedere II cars (RO23J7) . Are you sure it's not a Race car you saw? Do you have a photo of the VIN#?
I think that statement confuses people ever more.
The 1967 WO and RO cars were NOT race Hemis but rather street Hemis with bigger carbs. Chrysler's intent with those cars was to create a package car that potential buyers could better relate to with what they could go to the dealership and buy to drive on the street. These were the package cars that had the least modifications to them than any other package car vs. the street cars avaialble to the regular buyer.
The intent was for these cars to be raced in Stock Eliminator class but for some reason they were moved to Super Stock (probably because of the "cheater" carbs) where they were not at all competitive.
'67 RO and WO cars came with Street Hemi carbs. The factory data sheet that was printed before the cars were made stated 4139 & 4140 '66 carbs, but most likely all came with 4139 & 4343 '67 carbs. Don't go by Galens white book, it list info from the data sheet, not what has been found on '67 SS cars. The 4345 & 4346 'cheater' carbs were for just what they were called, for cheating or match racing. They are not class legal. The '67 Super Stock cars were never built for Stock, only Super Stock. They will not fit into Stock. Like the 426/425hp '64 aluminum Max Wedge cars, they fit below the minimum lbs/HP break for A/Stock. The only Super Stock package Mopar made for Stock was the '66 D-Darts. The '67 SS cars were not competetive because they ran in the same class as the '64, '65 and '68 Race Hemi cars, SS/B and SS/BA. It was a few years later when NHRA changed the weight breaks that put the '67s in SS/D, the '65 in SS/C, the '64 in SS/B and the '68 in SS/A.
I've seen two '67 Belvedere II Hemi cars. The green one Scott owned and the blue one from the Atlanta GA area.
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'67 RO and WO cars came with Street Hemi carbs. The factory data sheet that was printed before the cars were made stated 4139 & 4140 '66 carbs, but most likely all came with 4139 & 4343 '67 carbs. Don't go by Galens white book, it list info from the data sheet, not what has been found on '67 SS cars. The 4345 & 4346 'cheater' carbs were for just what they were called, for cheating or match racing. They are not class legal. The '67 Super Stock cars were never built for Stock, only Super Stock. They will not fit into Stock. Like the 426/425hp '64 aluminum Max Wedge cars, they fit below the minimum lbs/HP break for A/Stock. The only Super Stock package Mopar made for Stock was the '66 D-Darts. The '67 SS cars were not competetive because they ran in the same class as the '64, '65 and '68 Race Hemi cars, SS/B and SS/BA. It was a few years later when NHRA changed the weight breaks that put the '67s in SS/D, the '65 in SS/C, the '64 in SS/B and the '68 in SS/A.
I've seen two '67 Belvedere II Hemi cars. The green one Scott owned and the blue one from the Atlanta GA area.
They all came with regular old 66/67 Street Hemi carbs, in fact the "Cheater" carbs weren't even manufactured or available until after the run or RO/WO cars was finished.
*The blue 67 Hemi 4 speed BelvedereII car from Atlanta belonged to Steve Simmons
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Strange seeing this post, because in Wichita Kansas, (I do not remember if it was I or II), but in 1975 a kid bought a silver 67 belvedere with a hemi engine that had been blown, we took it over to my place and he bought a 318 from me and we installed it into the car. I moved to Texas shortly after that and lost touch with him and his car. But possibly someone in Wichita knows about the silver 67 with the HEMI badges and vin that had a 318 in it? If not, maybe they still have a silver 67 with a 318 in it not realizing that the car is an actual HEMI car and not just dressed up with fake badges. Regards,
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My dad passed away 7 years ago & I realize there is no proof. But I saw them & touched them & to me it's not just a story but another of the wonderful Mopar memories my dad exposed me to over my 60 plus years. You can believe it or not but I thought I'd share it with some other Mopar fans.
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Welcome to Moparts Jack. You will have to get use to having hard proof on everything you post. On moparts it is just not good enough that you lived it, you have to have the scares to prove it also.
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