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Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: 383man] #1999362 01/26/16 10:46 PM 01/26/16 10:46 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan super stock
67mprfan super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Originally Posted By 383man I am just curious as with the 12.1 comp it dont sound like a pump gas combo so I am guessing its a race car only ? I friend with the duster says his compression is 12.1 and he insist he doesn't need race gas.... Its his motor I don't argue about it. 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999439 01/26/16 11:52 PM 01/26/16 11:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you S Street Monkies OP member
Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	1963 Plymouth Valiant. Race only.

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999491 01/27/16 12:33 AM 01/27/16 12:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,243 Charlotte, North Carolina sgcuda master
sgcuda master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,243 Charlotte, North Carolina	440 trw domed pistons, six pack rods, 915 heads with big valves, tunnel ram with 2 660's. MP 590 cam 10.80's at 3200 pounds. You should go way faster. [image][/image]

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999492 01/27/16 12:33 AM 01/27/16 12:33 AM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A. roadhazard master
roadhazard master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A.	I agree with using some good rods for sure. The lighter the better (BME?) Maybe a little work inside the runners on the Team-G, you could get away with 10* more duration and a bit more lift on the cam and a 5K vert. 2" header isn't out of the question either. Don't know if you seen the thread Brad H started? Fast 3.75"-stroke combo's? My combo's on the 2nd page if your interested.

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999521 01/27/16 01:04 AM 01/27/16 01:04 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,166 CT GTX MATT master
GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,166 CT	The team G has a bad rep, I dont have first hand experience but someone I know ran 10.97 in a 69 Road Runner with a stock stroke 440, TRW pop ups with 906s milled to a close chamber about 12:1, heads were ported, Team G with an annular 850 DP, 4 speed, 5.13s, 557 purpleshaft, all steel body stock interior stripped. I believe McCandless didnthat motor. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999534 01/27/16 01:15 AM 01/27/16 01:15 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,402 State of Corruption camdog440 pro stock
camdog440 pro stock Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,402 State of Corruption	Not mine, but I was originally going to copy it... Ported 452 heads, M1 single plane 4150 intake with 4500 adapter & 1050 dominator, LY rods, 12.5:1 Ross pistons, .650 McCandless solid cam... best I remember it was running 10.0's in a 3000 lb Duster.

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: roadhazard] #1999559 01/27/16 02:04 AM 01/27/16 02:04 AM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you S Street Monkies OP member
Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	Bill Miller Engineering (BME). I have a old set of their custom pistons. There is really nothing done to the runners. The roof into the runner is smooth but nothing done down into the runners or to the port. My buddy had a set of B1 BS heads this intake was on running in the 9.80s. Before the B1 heads he was using some ported 906 and going low 10s in good air. He switched to a super victor intake and I don't think it made that much of a difference. He switched some other things too so not a real fair comparison, but still he ended up with more compression, more cubes, cam specs were changed and maybe not for the good. Car did pick up 2 1/2 tenths.

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999563 01/27/16 02:12 AM 01/27/16 02:12 AM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you S Street Monkies OP member
Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	If anyone has a new set of connecting rods for the 1.094 pin 6.76" for 3.75" 440 they want to sell please let me know. That or maybe a good used set. I've seen some offers on 6 pack rods, LY rods but not sure about them. I hear good and bad things about them. This is a cheap budget build though, but I still don't want anything going boom right away. Any of the used parts I do own are in good useable condition.

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999667 01/27/16 12:01 PM 01/27/16 12:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,033 Madison, Wisconsin chrisnben super stock
chrisnben super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,033 Madison, Wisconsin	My '72 Cuda went consistent 10.80's in the mid '90s weighing at 3300# Nothing more than a 30 over 440 with ported 906's, M1 intake, Nueten 950 holley, Comp 305/620 solid cam. Car had SS leafs, 29x11 Goodyears and 4.30 gear. Basic Mopar street car with a cage. Your setup should be a 10.0 car all day. Definitely a 9" converter! Stick with the 1-7/8 headers too. '70 Cuda "Badfish 2"- in the works Home of MoPar University- We school 'em one at a time!!

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #1999749 01/27/16 02:24 PM 01/27/16 02:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,513 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,513 So. Burlington, Vt.	My old combo circa 1995; 448, trw flat tops(actually sealed power) down the hole .055(9.7cr), ported big valve 906's(flowed mid-260's), UD roller 259/264-108 in at 106, torker II, reworked annular 850, hooker 2" headers. 68 satellite, 3670lbs race ready, flat hood, mechanical fuel pump, 5/16 factory fuel line, crank driven W/P and alternator, battery up front. 727 w/9" dymanic(5300 stall), 4.56's, 29.5 x 10.5 slicks, old SS springs. 10.80's-90's in typical summer weather. 70's in spring and fall, went 60's on one day. Speed in the 125 range, 60' usually around 1.51-1.54, best ever 1.46. Shift at 63-6400, out the back around 66-6700. Lucky I never had one of those ly rods give up on me......I wouldn't build it like that again, but that short block was originally done in 1981. After seeing how much my 383 picked up by upgrading the fuel system and adding some fresh air, I really wished I had done it with the 448.(of course, that probably would have gone faster enough to blow it up!!)

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: GTX MATT] #1999874 01/27/16 05:19 PM 01/27/16 05:19 PM
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Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	Supposedly the team G 4500 tall top is better then the 4150 version. The 4150 version has the dents in the runners and they need a lot of work, and even the 4500 version needs some work in the runners, but I believe the 4500 is better all around in the plenum, and runners.

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: 67mprfan] #2000025 01/27/16 09:25 PM 01/27/16 09:25 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By 67mprfan Originally Posted By 383man I am just curious as with the 12.1 comp it dont sound like a pump gas combo so I am guessing its a race car only ? I friend with the duster says his compression is 12.1 and he insist he doesn't need race gas.... Its his motor I don't argue about it. Its all about the cam... if the piston is way up the bore before the valve closes it'll run on junk fuel Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 01/27/16 09:25 PM.

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #2000683 01/28/16 08:25 PM 01/28/16 08:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	Originally Posted By Street Monkies I know this has been asked a lot of times in the past. I love looking at different engine/car combos. I'm putting together a very a mild combo. I would like some guesses on how much power/torque and what it should run. For motor it's going to be a .030 440 with the 3.75" forged crank. I have some small dome bme pistons. They weigh 721-722g with out pin. They're the 1.094" stock pin size. With pin they're 865g I have lite weight pins. I will have to check and see if I can come up with a cc or mock the block up and check and see what kind of cr I'll have. I'm thinking like 12:1. Haven't decided on connecting rods yet. I have ootb 440 source heads 80 cc closed chamber. I have steel retainers, 1107 spring's, stainless valves. 1.6 440 source rockers. I have a team G 4500 tall top with some plenum work done to it. I have a 9375 1050 Holley that might be converted to E85. Planning on like 1 7/8" primary tube headers with 3" collector. I was thinking 2" and 3.5" collector but that could be a bit much. Hopefully getting a comp cams 567/567 264/264 @ .050 106 lsa solid flat tappet cam. Plan on keeping oiling system pretty basic hopefully. Trans is a 727 and it will have a trans brake. Looking at 10" converter in the 3,000-4000 stall range. I'll probably be using a 4.56 gear. I'm expecting car to be around 2500-2600 lbs with driver. Thoughts, opinions, and sharing different combinations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks moparts. Maybe some of you will have fun with this. If it's "right", you're going to have a hard time keeping IN the 10's. At that weight, I see 9.80's easy. Several moons ago, I went high 10.30's @ 128-129 @ 3200# with... TRW flat tops LY rods R280 roller 906 heads 4150 base M1 w/Dominator adaptor BOX STOCK 1050

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2000773 01/28/16 11:11 PM 01/28/16 11:11 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan super stock
67mprfan super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY Originally Posted By 67mprfan Originally Posted By 383man I am just curious as with the 12.1 comp it dont sound like a pump gas combo so I am guessing its a race car only ? I friend with the duster says his compression is 12.1 and he insist he doesn't need race gas.... Its his motor I don't argue about it. Its all about the cam... if the piston is way up the bore before the valve closes it'll run on junk fuel Mike his cam is in the 270's range its a split lift. As for piston they're domes that have been fly cut some 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: cudadoug] #2000812 01/29/16 12:03 AM 01/29/16 12:03 AM
Joined: Sep 2015 Posts: 1,096 Australia O ozymaxwedge super stock
ozymaxwedge super stock O Joined: Sep 2015 Posts: 1,096 Australia	Originally Posted By cudadoug If it's "right", you're going to have a hard time keeping IN the 10's. At that weight, I see 9.80's easy. Several moons ago, I went high 10.30's @ 128-129 @ 3200# with... TRW flat tops LY rods R280 roller 906 heads 4150 base M1 w/Dominator adaptor BOX STOCK 1050 Dammmm 9.80's with ootb Source heads and you have gone 10.30's @ 129 with 906's !!! Im shocked 1963 Plymouth Max Wedge 1971 Barracuda

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #2000839 01/29/16 12:36 AM 01/29/16 12:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,013 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,013 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	All I will add is don't cheap out on the converter if you are going to use a brake, or, keep the launch rpm way down so you don't kill it. A cheap converter not built for trans brake use may not last a weekend at full load. I had that happen to me a long time ago, the insides look like someone beat up all the fins with a big hammer! 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: ozymaxwedge] #2000844 01/29/16 12:44 AM 01/29/16 12:44 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,195 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,195 PA.	You guys would shake your heads at what we had to do to run fast years ago. Heck I flycut pistons on an assembled engine to get valve to piston clearance when I switched to a mushroom tappet cam and needed more clearance. I burnt a head gasket and the car slowed .10 every round one Sunday and took 2nd place changing the dial every round. Tore the heads off Sunday night and had the block welded in the car with nichle stick Rod, Welded the head, filed it down with a hand file within .002-.003 and went racing the very next Friday. Man I love racing 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: ozymaxwedge] #2000893 01/29/16 01:49 AM 01/29/16 01:49 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	Originally Posted By ozymaxwedge Originally Posted By cudadoug If it's "right", you're going to have a hard time keeping IN the 10's. At that weight, I see 9.80's easy. Several moons ago, I went high 10.30's @ 128-129 @ 3200# with... TRW flat tops LY rods R280 roller 906 heads 4150 base M1 w/Dominator adaptor BOX STOCK 1050 Dammmm 9.80's with ootb Source heads and you have gone 10.30's @ 129 with 906's !!! Im shocked They flowed right at 260 @ 28" on Holtons bench, which isn't that far from the Stealth heads from what I'm told. I can only wish I had the choices of heads we have today!

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: cudadoug] #2000912 01/29/16 02:04 AM 01/29/16 02:04 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,195 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,195 PA.	Originally Posted By cudadoug Originally Posted By ozymaxwedge [quote=cudadoug] If it's "right", you're going to have a hard time keeping IN the 10's. At that weight, I see 9.80's easy. Several moons ago, I went high 10.30's @ 128-129 @ 3200# with... TRW flat tops LY rods R280 roller 906 heads 4150 base M1 w/Dominator adaptor BOX STOCK 1050 Dammmm 9.80's with ootb Source heads and you have gone 10.30's @ 129 with 906's !!! Im shocked They flowed right at 260 @ 28" on Holtons bench, which isn't that far from the Stealth heads from what I'm told. I can only wish I had the choices of heads we have today! [/quote You and I both. I never owned a set of aluminum heads till I both a set while I was going through my divorce in 1999. I couldn't afford to use them but I sure as heck bought them. Lol 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: 440 stock stroke 10 second combos [Re: Street Monkies] #2000998 01/29/16 04:35 AM 01/29/16 04:35 AM
Joined: Sep 2015 Posts: 1,096 Australia O ozymaxwedge super stock
ozymaxwedge super stock O Joined: Sep 2015 Posts: 1,096 Australia	With a 440 cast crank Ive managed 11.0's with maxed out 915's, 10.80's with indy SR's and ad some gas 9.69 @ 135 before going to a stroker. 1963 Plymouth Max Wedge 1971 Barracuda

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