Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Power front disc brakes 1970 Challenger. Developed a leak between the master cylinder and booster that's running down the front of the booster eating the paint off the booster and frame rail. What needs to be done to fix?
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Think about it
Where is the brake fluid located
In the master cylinder.
Is it supposed to leak in that area? No
I would suggest finding a shop to replace the master cylinder and blled your braking system.
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Think about it
Where is the brake fluid located
In the master cylinder.
Is it supposed to leak in that area? No
I would suggest finding a shop to replace the master cylinder and blled your braking system. Yes I know. Didn't know if there was any kind of seal or gasket I could replace. Not sure why I would need to take it to a shop to replace something I can probably do.
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Any decent parts store should get a reman master.Keep the OE one if you want it original.I run 70 c body masters on all conversions i do.Mine has been on at least 15 years.Got it at Advanced.Rocky
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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If the MC is leaking it and the booster, my guess is there is a seal doing it in the piston. Do what "therocks" stated
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Looking into getting one from O'Reilly's, but is a factory looking replacement/reproduction available anywhere?
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Advance can get or have OE type in stock.Thats where i get all the ones I use.Rocky
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Come on, do you really think that little gasket is what keeps the fluid inside the master cylinder? That is just a dust shield gasket to keep crud out. You need a new master cylinder or if that one is original it needs rebuilt. It would be safer if you let someone do the job, but watch them so you can learn how it works. The o rings inside the cylinder are shot and possibly there is pitting in the bore which chew up the o ring and let the fluid past.
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Advance can get or have OE type in stock.Thats where i get all the ones I use.Rocky All the ones the big box stores sale have a flat front. Originals had a rounded front.
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Come on, do you really think that little gasket is what keeps the fluid inside the master cylinder? That is just a dust shield gasket to keep crud out. You need a new master cylinder or if that one is original it needs rebuilt. It would be safer if you let someone do the job, but watch them so you can learn how it works. The o rings inside the cylinder are shot and possibly there is pitting in the bore which chew up the o ring and let the fluid past. No, but that's where it's leaking. I'm guessing I need to pull it and install or have installed a Raybestos MK551 kit. If I do it myself do I need any special tools?
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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I haven't had much luck trying to put a kit in a MC, the bore of the casting is usually pitted too deep and new seals won't hold.
If you want to retain the correct "round front" MC, send it someplace where they can sleeve the bore.
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Come on, do you really think that little gasket is what keeps the fluid inside the master cylinder? That is just a dust shield gasket to keep crud out. You need a new master cylinder or if that one is original it needs rebuilt. It would be safer if you let someone do the job, but watch them so you can learn how it works. The o rings inside the cylinder are shot and possibly there is pitting in the bore which chew up the o ring and let the fluid past. No, but that's where it's leaking. I'm guessing I need to pull it and install or have installed a Raybestos MK551 kit. If I do it myself do I need any special tools? You can rebuild yours ( I got a kit from Rockauto) If its not rebuildable, buy a new one that you can use for now and have yours sent out for resleeving/rebuilding...
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Anyone have any suggestions on who can rebuild if I have to go that route? I did come across an accurate repro for $250. Think I should try to rebuild mine first though. Is the raybestos mk551 kit the way to go or is something better?
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I would get that MC off of there ASAP before the leaking fluid does anymore damage. The quick solution would be to get a rebuilt MC of the correct bore dia for your app. (I've had good luck with rebuilts & they are cheap). To keep yours I would pull the guts out of it & clean it up & check for pits as John said. To rebuild I would purchase a BRM flexhone of the right grit (removes minimal if any material & leaves an excellent finish then install the cups in the rebuild kit (when you eyeball the innards you will see how easy it is). the only thing that could hang you up here is if the bore is too worn enough so the rebuild would not last tho I'd say your chances are VG if it passes the pit inspection but on the down side if it did not then it would need to be resleeved but even if so likely you could reuse your rebuild assy that you put the new cups on as they'd still be nearly new. Just thinking out loud before I get my day started
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I would get that MC off of there ASAP before the leaking fluid does anymore damage. The quick solution would be to get a rebuilt MC of the correct bore dia for your app. (I've had good luck with rebuilts & they are cheap). To keep yours I would pull the guts out of it & clean it up & check for pits as John said. To rebuild I would purchase a BRM flexhone of the right grit (removes minimal if any material & leaves an excellent finish then install the cups in the rebuild kit (when you eyeball the innards you will see how easy it is). the only thing that could hang you up here is if the bore is too worn enough so the rebuild would not last tho I'd say your chances are VG if it passes the pit inspection but on the down side if it did not then it would need to be resleeved but even if so likely you could reuse your rebuild assy that you put the new cups on as they'd still be nearly new. Just thinking out loud before I get my day started So I can buy one from autozone or o'reillys and take the internals out of it and put in mine? All the autopart store websites list a few different ones. Would it matter which one I went with? All the ones listed say 1 inch bore diameter.
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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Take your master cylinder off and disassemble it, buy a small brake hone and clean the master cylinder up inside and out and hone it some, if it is pitted bad use it as core to have it sleeved by Stainless Steel Brake corpoation if the pitting is not real bad put a kit in it BTW there is probally, can be, a small screw, bolt, in the middle of the M.C. that holds the piston in the M.C., remove it before trying to pull the M.C. piston out
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Re: Brake Fluid Leak Between Master Cylinder and Booster
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What kit should I use? What about buying a reman unit and taking the internals out and putting them in mine or is that not feasible? Just a thought.
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I'd never thought of that but if the MC dimentions (bore dia/length of bore & possibly any setscrews in the middle that Cab mentioned and the retainer/snap ring on the back side etc and the innards compared side by side are the same I see no reason why that would not work. Sounds like you want to keep your orig MC. it is leaking so it ain't going any where & I'd open it up & see what you see & if you need to get going right now you could toss a parts house reman on it (bleed it on the car then bleed the corners) then see if you want to sleeve the oe MC or swap innards.
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You definitely need to replace the leaking master. Rebuild it or Rick Ehrenberg, tech editor at Mopar Action has some original type MC's for sale on ebay
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