Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Well guys I like going fast and I like what the NHRA has done for racer's safety. Without the NHRA there would be more dead racers-purely and simply. Vitually every other sanctioning body has eventually adopted most of the NHRA's safety protocol. Like any other big target they attract criticism. Goodyear is the only reason there is T/F racing. I'll say that again "Goodyear is the only reason there is T/F racing. They have never shy'd away from the incredible demands that fuelers put on tires. They should be rewarded for their dedication and that is exactly what the NHRA is doing.
They ARE rewarded for their dedication every time a racer writes them a check to purchase their tires. No more rewards should be required.
There is absolutely zero profit in T/F tires. Go race/watch somewhere else if you don't like the NHRA. I can assure you that if the NHRA go belly up the rest will follow quickly and sportsman drag racing will take a huge hit. Every other tire manufacturer that once supplied T/F tires pulled out voluntarily due to the unbelievably high product liability. Goodyear is in business for profit. If they can't make money somewhere then why bother?
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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with both of the above posts. Talked to the owner of what some people call an outlaw track. He told me that he had run under IHRA and NHRA, nether had done anything for the track except take his money.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Go race/watch somewhere else if you don't like the NHRA. I can assure you that if the NHRA go belly up the rest will follow quickly and sportsman drag racing will take a huge hit.
Why do you think tracks need NHRA to survive ? Not a single track i race at has a national or regional event and they are just fine. Just grass roots sportsman racing existing without the "pros" The NHRA is just an added layer of bureaucracy driving up the cost of drag racing.
I like that line.
slantzilla, tell me whats different about wrecking at an outlaw track vs an NHRA one??
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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So why did you race there then?
The track I raced at had an ambulance on site and the whole track was on the built on the owners farm. I think he had a lot more to loose than the five yahoos in Glendora.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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slantzilla, tell me whats different about wrecking at an outlaw track vs an NHRA one??
Insurance and medical assistance. Most of the outlaw tracks I have raced at did not have an ambulance on site, or anywhere nearby.
Those waviers that you sign ? ... have so many holes in them !! ... like that you have inspected the track before you race ... how many tracks have you been to that will allow you OUT on the track to walk-it ?
I will bet that if you crashed and got hurt because of the track's negligence ... a good lawyer would AT LEAST get you the title to that track !
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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slantzilla, tell me whats different about wrecking at an outlaw track vs an NHRA one??
Insurance and medical assistance. Most of the outlaw tracks I have raced at did not have an ambulance on site, or anywhere nearby.
My expierence with insurance is minimal, but I know enough to know that paying for it is one thing and actually collecting it is another.
Ive never seen a track without an ambulance or something of the sort. It seems to be a requirement of the track's insurance rather than the sanctioning organization, however thats not my most knowledgable subject either.
One thing I recall is that when you enter a NHRA national event, you have to pay extra $$$ (I think it was $100 more??, can someone clarify how much it is?) on top of the regular entry fee. Isnt that odd since your membership is supposed to offer you insurance in the event of personal injury at a National event? They certainly dont pay for your car, thats for sure.
Addionally odd as well is that when you pay for that insurance and your entry fees, never once do you receive a copy of the policy. Anyone????
and again, purchasing insurance is one thing, and collecting it is another.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Of the 8 tracks I raced at last year, all but two were NHRA or IHRA sanctioned. The two that weren't both had ambulances and paramedics on site.
And the track's janitor cuts you out of the vehicle with a hack saw in say-24 hours. Paramedics know how to save lives but probably don't know much about extracting injured drivers out of race cars. I'll take the NHRA any time over any of them. They are in business to make money. Why is that such a strange notion?
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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"why are you discussing TF tires?"
Because of Goodyear's commitment to the T/F tires they have been granted the rights to the P/S tire which is a much more profitable venture. What they could do is tell M/T or any of them that if they want to be an NHRA tire supplier they should have to do ALL THE TIRES not just the cream puffs. They wouldn't know where to begin.
sorry Bob but tires or anything else the NHRA does not buy shouldn't be any of their business. next they will be telling you what motor parts you have to run. and the list will go on.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Bob, its a strange notion because 1) NHRA is a "not for profit" organization and.. 2) its an organization that was formed and supposed to support the racers, not support itself. Theyve lost touch with reality and each move takes them further and further away from it. Theres a line in the Mickey Thompson release that says something to the effect... “Eliminating the NHRA from our schedule will allow us to focus our attention and resources on faster growing segments of the drag racing community." that says alot. also for their (NHRA)'s latest move read this: http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8981&Itemid=6
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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sorry Bob but tires or anything else the NHRA does not buy shouldn't be any of their business. next they will be telling you what motor parts you have to run. and the list will go on.
Tony, they already do list what parts are and aren't accepted.
One thing you guys gotta remember, like it or not the NHRA is a multi-million dollar business. Deals are made that some may not like, but some things may be pushed by the sponsors themselves and not necessarily the NHRA. Do I like all their deals and decisions? Of course not, but they are still the best game in town.
Just for sake of argument, the IHRA isn't doing much better at keeping sponsors/racers/fans happy either. Notice lately what flag is flying over Norwalk? That speaks volumes to me. It's a tough world out there.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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