Re: help me pick a carb
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Race calibrated carb on a mild street car....... Definitely wouldn't be the path I would have taken.
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Re: help me pick a carb
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Dwayne is correct, but I wouldn't be afraid of trying that carb. If it isn't easy to sort out then just buy a set of billet metering blocks to solve the problem. The only real issue that you might have with that carb is the idle will be too rich. The old school solution was sticking a wire into the idle jet but now days you can buy a billet metering block with replaceable jets. Or you can drill and tap the old style blocks for replaceable idle jets.
The annular boosters add a bunch of bottom end torque during cold weather so that is good for a street car.
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Re: help me pick a carb
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bumping this thread, i got a used holley 0-9379 in nice shape. this type of carb http://www.jegs.com/i/Holley/510/0-9379/10002/-168/81 jets with 6.5PV is stock. only question is, should i replace the throttle plates for undrilled plates? i think i probably should, but figure i'd ask. all four plates have 3/32" holes and my motor has about 14" of vacuum at 800rpm ps, just got put some dougs headers on and am almost done putting on a 2.5" system with x pipe... ^after that's done i'm gonna swap the carb on with lokar linkages...then finally get to tuning. IIRC that carb was originally an 830, which was an 850 MB with a 750 base plate. They had a hole in the fuel curve a mile wide. They were released by Holley long before they were ready. They were aslo spec'd for a circle track class where the carb was intended to be modified. If I were you I would expect issues and then send it off to get it fixed. Just my .02 Agree about the "as is" calibrations but I modded one for a buddy`s Cobra kit car and he`s never been happier........it replaced a street avenger.............
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Re: help me pick a carb
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thanks andy, i just ordered drill bits and set screws, in case i need to change the IFR...atleast i can figure out the IFR/pvcr and bleed sizes now. that said, it seems the primary metering block for the 9379 carb i have is the same as the old holley 750DP carbs, 4799-2 and 8156 (late 70's) the larger 830 and 850 (r9380 and r9381) carbs in the same series as my carb have primary metering blocks #34R8558AS atleast according to this reference http://www.lbfun.com/warehouse/tech_info/fuel%20&%20intake/CarbList.pdf
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Re: help me pick a carb
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ok, called holley tech line. also, that holley link i posted above says the metering blocks are different for the 9379 and 9380/9381 carbs, but all the internet searching i've done makes it seem like the 750cfm carbs have the same blocks as the 830/850 carbs.
so this r9379 carb has 8543 3 (primary) and 11038 6 blocks
IAB is .066 HSAB is .030 IFR is .033 (low position) PVCR is .028 (most stuff i read says 750 carbs are ~.056, so i guess that's .028 x 2 ?
two main well bleeds at .028
anyway, i'll run this thing like this for now. i usually tune by adjusting idle mix with a vacuum gauge, then jet it lean enough that it just barely does a little surging/blubbering at steady cruise then jet back up so that it smooths out. get the PV sensitive enough that it reacts quick and keeps it from going lean with more throttle input.
at this point i'm not worried about full throttle blasts. that will come with time... this carb has .028/.031 squirters and pink pump cams.
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Re: help me pick a carb
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Re: help me pick a carb
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well, got the small drill bits but i think the 80-61 index bits i got are inaccurate so i still don't know what the IFR is.
but the PVCR is NOT .028 like the holley guy said, it's .052 and the IAB .067
the following numbers i got are probably not correct IFR is .026 HSAB primary side is .025 and secondary side is .021
but, i got my exhaust done. the x pipe makes it sound raspy... gonna put the lokar stuff and the holley carb on soon
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Re: help me pick a carb
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well, put the carb on the other day and the idle speed can go low enough with the holes drilled in all the plates so i didn't have to put undrilled plates on. my idle screws were only 3-4 turn out though, i checked with a better set of drill bits and the IFR's in the blocks were .032 i made sure i could drill some set screws i got and it worked out, did .0292 and .028, then i decided to drill and tap the IFR slots. taped 'em up real good to keep debris in the ports minimal and it seems to be fine. put the .0292 screws in there... pulled the intake because i was leaking a little coolant form the front and i'm waiting on new gaskets so i'm not sure where my idle screws will fall now. Untitled by misomad, on Flickr
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Re: help me pick a carb
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You need to lower those a bit more cos they`re blocking the feed holes............
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Re: help me pick a carb
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this low enough? i think the pic makes them look higher than they really are. those are 1/8" screws btw. Untitled by misomad, on Flickr
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Re: help me pick a carb
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this low enough? i think the pic makes them look higher than they really are. those are 1/8" screws btw. Untitled by misomad, on Flickr Bottom looks more like it...........I set mine flush or just below..........
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Re: help me pick a carb
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well, drove the car around a bit with the carb at factory baseline except for the .029 IFR's front and rear.
seems ok, it's a little grumpy while driving until it warms up all the way so that's about right. no bogs after it's warm... the plugs which were fouled from the edlebrock are cleaning up some. i have some new NGK bk6re to put in place of the non projected heat range 7 plugs in it now.
got on it through a little of first, pulling way harder than it was. surprised me a little actually.
also, i bought some old MP distributors for cheap, both had some runout in the shaft so i went down the rabbit hole of pulling them apart to check out the internals.
now i have the plates welded up on the pro comp dist in the car, should be able to run 18/34 for the timing. left the factory pro comp light spring in and put the really light MP light spring in place of the heavy spring. maybe i'll get timing all in by 2500 now ?? haven't put the timing light on it except to get initial close...
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Re: help me pick a carb
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What carb again? .029 ifr`s are not typical from most I`ve seen/worked on do you have a wb?...........
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Re: help me pick a carb
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What carb again? .029 ifr`s are not typical from most I`ve seen/worked on do you have a wb?........... holley 0-9379 think about a 0-4799 750 double pumper with annular boosters originally it was .032 IFR in the low position, i set it up and the idle screws were only .75 turns out IAB is .067 HSAB .031/026 prim/sec squirters are .028/.031 old school metering blocks, i think the well bleeds were .028, two of them i only drilled and tapped the IFR's all four throttle plates are drilled to 3/32 so the plates are closed way down, the transfer slots are probably barely peeking through the primary side, secondary side setup to mimic the primary side by holding the up to light then i adjusted both evenly to get idle speed up. remember this is a pretty mild 360, 190 psi cranking pressure pulls 13" vacuum at idle in park, 800rpm magnum heads, headers, xpipe
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