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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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I've got another ballast resistor I plan to gut if everything works. Could I try it by temporarily wiring the two ends that attach to the ballast and then hooking the red wire to the + on the coil? Yes
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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I've got another ballast resistor I plan to gut if everything works. Could I try it by temporarily wiring the two ends that attach to the ballast and then hooking the red wire to the + on the coil? If you still have the OE coil I would suggest not bypassing the ballast as it is needed with the coil for it to have a long life and instead concentrate on the P unit in the dist for what ain't right cuz bypassing it wont fix what is the culprit here. If you have a specific P coil for your level of P system (I II or III) or another brand of coil intended for full 12V then by all means bypass it for max power
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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I've got another ballast resistor I plan to gut if everything works. Could I try it by temporarily wiring the two ends that attach to the ballast and then hooking the red wire to the + on the coil? Yes I want to try some temporary connections to help decide whether the new setup is going to work. Once I figure out what will and will not work, I'll make adjustments with guidance from here and go from there.
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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It runs, but it runs rough and I can't advance the distributor any more the vacuum diaphragm is hitting the oil pressure sending unit and wired up to the spare ballast resistor the resistor gets hot and smokes on the blue wire end. Any ideas?
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Is there a way for me to change the position of the distributor case/vacuum diaphragm so it doesn't hit the oil pressure sending unit and allow for more adjustment of timing without throwing the current timing off? I hope that makes sense.
When I adjusted the timing the diaphragm hit the oil pressure sending unit and must have shorted out the unit cause the pressure gauge immediately went to H and won't come back down. I got a new unit and when the ignition switch is turned on it will stay at L. I can't seem to get the old unit out of the car to replace it with the new one but plugging the new unit in the needle went to L plugging the wire back into the old installed unit goes back to H so it must be the sending unit.
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Get the dampener slit on 15 BTDC. pop the dist cap & see if the rotor is on or very close to #1 or #6 plug wire. loosen clamp & turn housing CCW till the can is on the pass side in the ballpark where you want it with room to be turned back & forth either way so you can adj it. turn housing some more slightly (either way) till the magnet is lined up dead even with the nearest tooth. take the wires out of the cap. plug in the #1 or the #6 plug wire (whichever one the rotor was originally at/under) into the cap terminal above the rotor. route em CW starting with the #1 you just started with and go 8-4-3-6-5-7-2 or if you are starting with #6 then going CW plug in 5-7-2-1-8-4. Fire it up!
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Magnet lined up with the nearest tooth?
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Opps my bad I keep forgetting we are on the P system! EDIT with the marks on 15 you want the P lined up to where it is ready to fire
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Get the dampener slit on 15 BTDC. pop the dist cap & see if the rotor is on or very close to #1 or #6 plug wire. loosen clamp & turn housing CCW till the can is on the pass side in the ballpark where you want it with room to be turned back & forth either way so you can adj it. turn housing some more slightly (either way) till the magnet is lined up dead even with the nearest tooth. take the wires out of the cap. plug in the #1 or the #6 plug wire (whichever one the rotor was originally at/under) into the cap terminal above the rotor. route em CW starting with the #1 you just started with and go 8-4-3-6-5-7-2 or if you are starting with #6 then going CW plug in 5-7-2-1-8-4. Fire it up! How will I know when the Pertronix is ready to fire? Is it when the rotor is lined up with a post on the cap?? Also, my distributor is in the back of the engine and I can't turn the housing any more counter clockwise. That's the problem because the vacuum diaphragm hits the oil pressure sending unit. It needs to go back clockwise so I can advance it more (CCW) without running into the sending unit with the diaphragm. I've got it at about 12 right now as it is, but it's dangerously close to the wire on the sending unit. I need to keep timing where it is, but somehow change the position of the distributor body/housing/diaphragm so I can advance it more (CCW) up to 16 without getting into trouble with the sending unit. Can I just pull the distributor rotate housing to where I want it then reinstall with the rotor in the same place?
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Can I just pull the distributor rotate housing to where I want it then reinstall with the rotor in the same place? NO...the dist on the SmBlk or BB installs 0 or 180 degrees only based on the dist/cam gear, your problem with the advance houseing having interference can happen even with the install of a hi rise manifold In layman's terms what you need to do is put #1 cylinder at TDC, confirm the current rotor position is under the #1 terminal on the cap, or close to it, then loosen the dist. and rotate the housing/advance diaphragm where you would like it to be for proper clearance to rotate the dist back/forth to establish timing, once you have the dist housing where you desire, then see under what terminal on the dist cap the rotor tip is pointing to, this is now your #1 cylinder plug wire, move all the corresponding wires clockwise/counter clockwise on the dist cap depending on what NEW dist wire terminal is closest to the rotor tip to establish a new firing order location on the cap, attempt to start the motor, you may have to rotate/time the dist by ear until you can establish an idle while attempting to start the engine, DO GET RID OF THE BALLAST, check to see if your coil your using is of the recommended OHM/turn ratio rating for the Ignitior I system your using Mike
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Can I just pull the distributor rotate housing to where I want it then reinstall with the rotor in the same place? NO...the dist on the SmBlk or BB installs 0 or 180 degrees only based on the dist/cam gear, your problem with the advance houseing having interference can happen even with the install of a hi rise manifold In layman's terms what you need to do is put #1 cylinder at TDC, confirm the current rotor position is under the #1 terminal on the cap, or close to it, then loosen the dist. and rotate the housing/advance diaphragm where you would like it to be for proper clearance to rotate the dist back/forth to establish timing, once you have the dist housing where you desire, then see under what terminal on the dist cap the rotor tip is pointing to, this is now your #1 cylinder plug wire, move all the corresponding wires clockwise/counter clockwise on the dist cap depending on what NEW dist wire terminal is closest to the rotor tip to establish a new firing order location on the cap, attempt to start the motor, you may have to rotate/time the dist by ear until you can establish an idle while attempting to start the engine, DO GET RID OF THE BALLAST, check to see if your coil your using is of the recommended OHM/turn ratio rating for the Ignitior I system your using Mike Could I alternatively rotate the distributor clockwise the distance needed to get to the next terminal then move the wires clockwise over one place? It really needs to rotate clockwise about the distance from one plug to the next so it doesn't hit the sending unit.
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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If you rotated the housing 1/8 of a turn CW, the rotor is still (back) where it (originally) was so you would reclock the wires CCW
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Can I just pull the distributor rotate housing to where I want it then reinstall with the rotor in the same place? NO...the dist on the SmBlk or BB installs 0 or 180 degrees only based on the dist/cam gear, your problem with the advance houseing having interference can happen even with the install of a hi rise manifold In layman's terms what you need to do is put #1 cylinder at TDC, confirm the current rotor position is under the #1 terminal on the cap, or close to it, then loosen the dist. and rotate the housing/advance diaphragm where you would like it to be for proper clearance to rotate the dist back/forth to establish timing, once you have the dist housing where you desire, then see under what terminal on the dist cap the rotor tip is pointing to, this is now your #1 cylinder plug wire, move all the corresponding wires clockwise/counter clockwise on the dist cap depending on what NEW dist wire terminal is closest to the rotor tip to establish a new firing order location on the cap, attempt to start the motor, you may have to rotate/time the dist by ear until you can establish an idle while attempting to start the engine, DO GET RID OF THE BALLAST, check to see if your coil your using is of the recommended OHM/turn ratio rating for the Ignitior I system your using Mike Could I alternatively rotate the distributor clockwise the distance needed to get to the next terminal then move the wires clockwise over one place? It really needs to rotate clockwise about the distance from one plug to the next so it doesn't hit the sending unit. Whatever gets the job done, either way CW or CCW
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Can I just pull the distributor rotate housing to where I want it then reinstall with the rotor in the same place? NO...the dist on the SmBlk or BB installs 0 or 180 degrees only based on the dist/cam gear, your problem with the advance houseing having interference can happen even with the install of a hi rise manifold In layman's terms what you need to do is put #1 cylinder at TDC, confirm the current rotor position is under the #1 terminal on the cap, or close to it, then loosen the dist. and rotate the housing/advance diaphragm where you would like it to be for proper clearance to rotate the dist back/forth to establish timing, once you have the dist housing where you desire, then see under what terminal on the dist cap the rotor tip is pointing to, this is now your #1 cylinder plug wire, move all the corresponding wires clockwise/counter clockwise on the dist cap depending on what NEW dist wire terminal is closest to the rotor tip to establish a new firing order location on the cap, attempt to start the motor, you may have to rotate/time the dist by ear until you can establish an idle while attempting to start the engine, DO GET RID OF THE BALLAST, check to see if your coil your using is of the recommended OHM/turn ratio rating for the Ignitior I system your using Mike Could I alternatively rotate the distributor clockwise the distance needed to get to the next terminal then move the wires clockwise over one place? It really needs to rotate clockwise about the distance from one plug to the next so it doesn't hit the sending unit. Whatever gets the job done, either way CW or CCW Just to make sure I'm clear on this. All I need to do is rotate the distributor clockwise one terminal worth and then move all wires counter clockwise one terminal? I had someone also tell me I could use a flat screwdriver and shove it in the Intermediate Shaft keyway and rotate the shaft on the cam gear so it aligns better for clearance, but I'm not really sure what this means and if I can do it with this distributor.
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Just to make sure I'm clear on this. All I need to do is rotate the distributor clockwise one terminal worth and then move all wires counter clockwise one terminal?. Correct. And "one terminal worth" is an eighth of a turn. This might help clarify: say the #3 plug wire for instance is above the rotor right now then after you move the housing forward (CW) you need to move the wires backward (CCW) so the #3 plug wire is back above the rotor just like it (originally) was
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Ok I have the timing right and it seems to run good, but the distributor is not where I want it. I rotated the housing 1/8 turn clockwise and moved all wires back 1 position. The vacuum advance is pointing toward the passenger seat/firewall. How can I keep timing where I want it at 16 and get it to point toward the passenger side without running into the oil pressure sending unit?
Looking down in the hole for the distributor is the distributor drive that has a slot in the middle of a gear. I'm assuming this is what I will need to reposition get things where I would like? ? How do I do this without messing things up? Not sure how it's all put together here so I want to be sure what I'm supposed to do first before I try.
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Re: Need help with Pertronix Ignitor install
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Then move the wires another terminal position on the cap, or put a 90 degree fitting on the oil sender unit to relocate it... Moving the wires another terminal will only throw everything off more. Repositioning the oil sending unit is really not any different than the vacuum advance pointing toward the passenger seat when it should be pointing toward the fender. Both look wrong. I'm thinking if I can put it to TDC or whatever plug I want to reference when I pull it then I can reposition the slot in the distributor gear to allow the distributor to be in the position I want it. My question is to reposition the drive gear for the distributor do I simply put a flat screwdriver in the slot of the distributor drive gear and turn it to allow it to walk out of the mesh with the cam, then turn it to where I want the slot to be to allow the distributor to be in the position I want and then mesh it back in? This is what I'm not familiar with how it works. I've had people mention using a flat screwdriver to reposition things and allow to line up better but I'm not sure what it means exactly.
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