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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1984652
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Thanks for the info Andy.

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Thanks Andy for the answer .
Would you consider trying a solid ft cam ? I know they give up some power but as these are not a "race" head would this not help the majority of users of this type of head .
I know i might be a Luddite but i am happy to use a cost effective ft cam

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has it been determined what head studs or kit is going to be used with these heads. work


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Originally Posted By tex013
Thanks Andy for the answer .
Would you consider trying a solid ft cam ? I know they give up some power but as these are not a "race" head would this not help the majority of users of this type of head .
I know i might be a Luddite but i am happy to use a cost effective ft cam

Tex


I found that flat tappet cams were just too expensive for me to use so I switched to roller cams for my dyno engines. I'm already on the third cam in this engine so that would be a lot of lifters if I was using a flat tappet. Plus if you eat a lifter the entire engine needs to be rebuilt which is a couple of weeks of downtime as well as $2000 in parts.

I agree that a flat tappet setup is less money for a "one and done" street engine, but I can't afford to do engine R&D with a flat tappet cam.

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1985067
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Thanks Andy ,
yes I do understand for R&D a roller is simpler . Thanks again for your input .

Tex


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New best MPH 130.94
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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: dartman366] #1985069
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Originally Posted By dartman366
has it been determined what head studs or kit is going to be used with these heads. work


TF has a stud kit listed on their website. The TF kit wasn't available when I built my engine so I made my own stud kit using ARP parts.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
Originally Posted By dartman366
has it been determined what head studs or kit is going to be used with these heads. work


TF has a stud kit listed on their website. The TF kit wasn't available when I built my engine so I made my own stud kit using ARP parts.
Thank's Andy, I had seen a TF number but didn't know how it corelated with ARP's number's, I will check it out. scope


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: B Dartman] #1985208
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Short Rockers studs ARP-AJ2500-1B
Longer head bolts if you already have a stock length 145-3606 ARP Hex head bolt kit and just want to buy the ten longer bolts instead of a complete 145-3609 kit are ARP-HAP4500-5


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From Page 7 of the thread: Complete Head Bolt kit is ARP 145-3609...if opted for over studs.


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Originally Posted By B Dartman
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Originally Posted By Azzkikrcuda
Short Rockers studs ARP-AJ2500-1B
Longer head bolts if you already have a stock length 145-3606 ARP Hex head bolt kit and just want to buy the ten longer bolts instead of a complete 145-3609 kit are ARP-HAP4500-5


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From Page 7 of the thread: Complete Head Bolt kit is ARP 145-3609...if opted for over studs.
I am going with stud's and as far as I can tell it is 145-4206 kit w/12pt nut's, if you want stud's w/hex nut's it is 145-4006.


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1985586
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Those part numbers are for RPM heads. The center studs will be too short to work on the TF heads. I think we already covered this topic back on page 4 or 5 of this thread.

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Andy, did you check to see if any aluminum valley covers work or are close enough to modify to work with the TF heads?


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Originally Posted By Azzkikrcuda
Andy, did you check to see if any aluminum valley covers work or are close enough to modify to work with the TF heads?


No I didn't. I use a bathtub type valley pan when running std port heads.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
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Andy, did you check to see if any aluminum valley covers work or are close enough to modify to work with the TF heads?


No I didn't. I use a bathtub type valley pan when running std port heads.


Do you ever have to "port" the bathtub valley pans?

Mine had a little overhang on the outside edges of the ports on my CNC ported stealths.


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Well it is getting close to that with these TF heads. I'm considering making my own valley plate so I can just run paper gaskets between the intake and the head. I haven't quite figured out how to do it yet so I'll stare at it some more.

It is possible that the bathtub is costing me some power. There is a slight bit of overhang in a few areas but it isn't much.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
Well it is getting close to that with these TF heads. I'm considering making my own valley plate so I can just run paper gaskets between the intake and the head. I haven't quite figured out how to do it yet so I'll stare at it some more.

It is possible that the bathtub is costing me some power. There is a slight bit of overhang in a few areas but it isn't much.


I opened mine up a bit with the dremel.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
Well it is getting close to that with these TF heads. I'm considering making my own valley plate so I can just run paper gaskets between the intake and the head. I haven't quite figured out how to do it yet so I'll stare at it some more.

It is possible that the bathtub is costing me some power. There is a slight bit of overhang in a few areas but it isn't much.



Andy years ago after we decided what intake we liked and were going to stick with we would weld a plate across the bottom of our big block intakes. I wish I had one left to post a picture but its not that hard.


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Originally Posted By GY3
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Well it is getting close to that with these TF heads. I'm considering making my own valley plate so I can just run paper gaskets between the intake and the head. I haven't quite figured out how to do it yet so I'll stare at it some more.

It is possible that the bathtub is costing me some power. There is a slight bit of overhang in a few areas but it isn't much.


I opened mine up a bit with the dremel.



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Picked up Fel-Pro Part# 1215 (Kit: High Performance Valley Pan, 4 Intake Gaskets and Distributor Gasket/O-Ring). Haven't installed yet but just laying in place it appears any trimming would be miniscule.



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Originally Posted By AndyF
Well it is getting close to that with these TF heads. I'm considering making my own valley plate so I can just run paper gaskets between the intake and the head. I haven't quite figured out how to do it yet so I'll stare at it some more.

It is possible that the bathtub is costing me some power. There is a slight bit of overhang in a few areas but it isn't much.



Have done this before but had a problem because I made it from thin Aluminium, with vibration it broke the seals on the block ends. So if your going to make one use about 1/4 ali.


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