Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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How about sell the crank, rods, heads, cam and rocker arms, and buy a complete stroker kit, massaged quality aluminum heads, hydraulic roller cam and quality rocker arms? Put a nice EFI set-up on it, and tell the well-regarded builder you want it tuned to be a smooth running, pump-gas burning street motor that is like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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I was where you are now a few years ago, I went with the 4.5 stroke crank, and got a killer deal on a set of the MP 9.5 to 1 pistons, I wish I had more compression now, there is a set of 12 to 1 MP pistons on ebay now. I started with stock rockers, went with StageV rollers, hydraulic roller does not work easy in a Hemi, the lifters are too tall. I went with a mech. roller with pushrod oiling. Those new heads that flow like 400 out of the box seem like the ticket. I would love to have those heads and fuel injection....Tim
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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The 426 street Hemi motors can use more compresion on todays pump gas with no problems than any other motor out there with iron heads if I was you and money wasn't a real big problem I would sell the other parts and buy a 4.25 stroke crank with BB Chevy journals, a set of BB Chevy type 7.100 long H beam steel rods and have a set of pistons made that would have a true 10.5 to1 compression ratio. I built a local customer and freind a motor just like that with a custom ground hydraulic roller cam and he loves it, it has iron heads and a dual plane single four barrel intake off of a crate motor with a Holley 850 double pumper, it is in 1968 Charger with a Dana 60 with 3.73 gear and short(28 inch tall) and a 727, full interior not cut up. It is a hoot to drive, responsive as all get out IHTHs EDITED. The BB chevy rods and the 4.25 stroke crank won't require any grinding on the cylinder walls to clear the rods and crankshaft If you where using the same stroke crank with Mopar rod journals and mopar stock type rods you will have to grind some on the cylinder walls and also on the oil pump pickup boss to prevent them hitting I've built a bunch of Mopar 426 Hemi and B and RB wedge motors with the BB Chevy journals and 4.25 stroke, they work great in these motors
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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12/26/15 01:33 PM
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Like everyone else says, put in a stroker crank. You will also need a lot more cam. That Mr. Six Pack cam will run out of steam way to early with a big motor. Hemis like to rev. Don't hold it back with a 5000 rpm cam.
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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Like everyone else says, put in a stroker crank. You will also need a lot more cam. That Mr. Six Pack cam will run out of steam way to early with a big motor. Hemis like to rev. Don't hold it back with a 5000 rpm cam. I've been there and done that so I can completely relate. The torque from a stroker motor rocks, but too small of a cam and it will run out of air waaaay to soon. Depending on if you go with a flat tappet solid lifter cam or roller you can get a custom ground cam for your combination for starting at roughly $200. Obviously a roller cam will cost more.
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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I went with the Go Big or Go Home attitude. Its all the same money to build a 426 as a 572....
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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It sounds as if you are just looking to use your 4.5" bore block in place of a stocker 4.250" bore block, not wanting any headaches associated with the build or needing any tuning afterwards, just a smooth running cruise night car type of engine that is street driven and not beat on. Is that right? Not a performance minded stroker in other words? Can you tell us your expectations for the car/engine? This is what I think he is looking to do.. just a cruiser that runs on the low octane... will never see the track and wants a low rpm engine... its not my cup of tea but it may be his... when I had my hemi it was years ago and it took a lot of tuning to keep it right... now days if I were you I would put injection on it
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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The OP has clearly stated his goals, says he is a rookie, and has asked for advice.
Andy F has the best suggestions. And, like Andy, I would also encourage the OP to find an experienced Hemi builder and follow his advice on how best to achieve his goals.
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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I agree that if you're new to the game, then getting your feet wet on a relatively expensive platform to build, like the gen 2 hemi, then having an experienced builder guide you through the process makes a lot of sense( or just have them build it for you). All that being said, the smallest thing I would build to make use of that 4.50 bore block would be a 540(4.5 bore x 4.25 stroke). If he already has the 426 top end and is just looking for a cruiser type build, I would just reuse it all. Clean up the heads, get a decent cam........ 600-650hp on pump gas should be a no brainer, or more...... Depending on just how mild the finished combo is.
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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What exactly are you going for? HP/et expectations? Unless you specify you'll have recommendations from a stock 426 to a 1000 hp monster. To me I'm guessing you want something like quickd100 has, streetable, big cube, low RPM deal (even still his puts out 800 hp in a very mild package) He does state it...in his opening ... last sentence..smooth running street engine
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Re: Hemi...best street driver configuration from 4.5" bore
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a 480 hemi with that cam will be pretty smooth, very strong through t he RPM just not a real high RPM. If I was in his boat I would build what I have but run at least 10.5 compression since you got a hemi that is detonation resistant as well as the big bore allows you to get a little bit of quench. Something as complex as a gen II hemi you don't need to throw in more variables like stroking it when it is not needed. It is not like what he has is very valuable so he can not sell it to finance a stroker anyhow.
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