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collector size for 468 sbm #1978603
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Hello folks.
I am looking for some opinions on whether I should have my headers modified for a bigger collector.
I have the 1 7/8 TTI with 3" collector for W2 heads
From what I understand, the new version of these headers come with 3.5" collector.
So my question is, do you think it's worth it to modify the collector and destroy the coating?
How much performance am I leaving on the table by staying with the 3"?

The combo is as follows;
468 ci
Indy 245 cnc
Pump gas
Solid roller
1050 dominator

Car is 3000 lb (with me) abody
727
5200 stall
Dana 60- 3:91

Thanks in advance guys.

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1978607
12/29/15 02:15 PM
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I don't think the ends justify the means. Is it a maximum effort combo? I don't think you'll see a large enough gain, especially if it's an NA build

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1978612
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Originally Posted By R3DART
Hello folks.
I am looking for some opinions on whether I should have my headers modified for a bigger collector.
I have the 1 7/8 TTI with 3" collector for W2 heads
From what I understand, the new version of these headers come with 3.5" collector.
So my question is, do you think it's worth it to modify the collector and destroy the coating?
How much performance am I leaving on the table by staying with the 3"?

The combo is as follows;
468 ci
Indy 245 cnc
Pump gas
Solid roller
1050 dominator

Car is 3000 lb (with me) abody
727
5200 stall
Dana 60- 3:91

Thanks in advance guys.


What RPM do you turn... but I would think a 1 7/8 pri
and a 3" collector are small... if you want you can
PM me and I'll run your engine specs through my header
program for the proper headers
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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: SpareParts] #1978684
12/29/15 03:46 PM
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Thanks for the response.
SpareParts; Not really a max effort although I plan to keep tweaking as I go.
Now would be the time for me to do it (change collector) if it made sense.
But by the time I get someone to do it and have them recoated, it's not going to be pocket change....

Mr P, I will pm you some specs.
I am curious on this, probably no point in fooling with collectors if tube size is not ideal as well.
If that turns out to be the case, it makes the decision easier.

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1978690
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Originally Posted By R3DART
Thanks for the response.
SpareParts; Not really a max effort although I plan to keep tweaking as I go.
Now would be the time for me to do it (change collector) if it made sense.
But by the time I get someone to do it and have them recoated, it's not going to be pocket change....

Mr P, I will pm you some specs.
I am curious on this, probably no point in fooling with collectors if tube size is not ideal as well.
If that turns out to be the case, it makes the decision easier.


After you PM me I'll send you what I need.. as for what
you have now it might be worth selling them OR changing
the collector.. that would be your choice.. I use a 3.5"
collector on most anything(either big cubes or high rpm)
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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1978708
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Pm sent

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1978712
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Can I change my vote? I misread the title and thought it said 428 lol makes a difference to me

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: SpareParts] #1978816
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Originally Posted By SpareParts
Can I change my vote? I misread the title and thought it said 428 lol makes a difference to me


No-No... change you vote now... LOL
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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1978919
12/29/15 09:19 PM
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Easy to slip a schoenfeld 3 1/2" collector over the 3", cut iabout 38" behind the cloverleaf welds and use the slip on /weld up collector for one size larger primary pipe than the one you have, Easy to do, I've done it several times.


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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1978980
12/29/15 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By SpareParts
Can I change my vote? I misread the title and thought it said 428 lol makes a difference to me


No-No... change you vote now... LOL
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Hell I can't read or vote right frown

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: Streetwize] #1979031
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Thanks.
I wonder how much differnece just the collector will make.
I am interested to see what Mr Pbody's program says. If I need bigger header all around, probably won't bother modifying these, just run them for the season and make a change when the time is right.

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1979036
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I have 2" primaries and 3 1/2" collector on my Indy 454 SB. It works ok 5.66@120 @2775

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1979041
12/29/15 11:30 PM
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I would want to see 2in/3.5 collector for sure on some thing that big.


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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1979043
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I am going 2 to 2 1/8 to 2 1/4 with a 4 inch collector on my 422.


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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: 1967dartgt] #1979072
12/30/15 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I am going 2 to 2 1/8 to 2 1/4 with a 4 inch collector on my 422.


I just sent him his numbers.. it calls for 2.027" to
2.152" dia and a collector dia of 3.686"to 3.936"with
a length of 16.1".... thats for a bigger engine than
yours... if you go bigger on dia it also changes the
pri lengths...remember that is a timed length based on
a dia.... all the specs I quoted are OD with a .062 wall
edit
for a 3 step headers your diameters are close enough but
you need to figure the lengths.. the 4" collector is close
enough also... without running numbers
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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1979112
12/30/15 12:38 AM
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Mines a nos motor so short is your friend. Just need to get heat out as fast as you can with no major restrictions. I was running 2 in with 3.5 collectors before.


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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: R3DART] #1979221
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I'm not looking forward to the day I build bug headers for mine. Should be lots of cuss words involved lol

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: 1967dartgt] #1979233
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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I am going 2 to 2 1/8 to 2 1/4 with a 4 inch collector on my 422.


Are these something you are building yourself? Or do you have someone lined up to build them?

Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: 80arrow] #1979237
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Originally Posted By 80arrow
Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I am going 2 to 2 1/8 to 2 1/4 with a 4 inch collector on my 422.


Are these something you are building yourself? Or do you have someone lined up to build them?


These are what I built for my 405ci W-9.. three step
1 7/8- 2 -2 1/8
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Re: collector size for 468 sbm [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1979251
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By 80arrow
Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I am going 2 to 2 1/8 to 2 1/4 with a 4 inch collector on my 422.


Are these something you are building yourself? Or do you have someone lined up to build them?


These are what I built for my 405ci W-9.. three step
1 7/8- 2 -2 1/8
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Those look awesome. I'm sure I'll have to make my own headers but figured I'd ask about 1967dartgt's set. I really don't want to make a set for my car, lol.

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